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Did anyone else spot this about Reform?

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NotSpaghetti Mon 08-Jul-24 21:03:46

www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jul/08/reform-uk-under-pressure-to-prove-all-its-candidates-were-real-people

Were they all real or were some just AI candidates?

NotSpaghetti Mon 08-Jul-24 21:04:57

Apparently the candidate for Bristol South is real - they live in Gibraltar 😂

Siope Mon 08-Jul-24 21:17:56

It was Byline Tomes who first raised this, and shame on the Guardian for not crediting them.

bylinetimes.com/2024/07/03/reform-uks-invisible-candidates-who-are-they-hiding/

But it would be a serious electoral offence if true about even one of their candidates.

Wyllow3 Mon 08-Jul-24 21:20:14

It does really sound as if boundaries were crossed in the rush to get the numbers there.

NotSpaghetti Mon 08-Jul-24 21:20:55

Yes.
Shocking.
I found it in another news outlet too but heard nothing about it on the radio (for example)

This is the other article I found.
www.thenational.scot/news/24438729.reform-uk-accused-using-ai-generated-candidates-election/

nanaK54 Mon 08-Jul-24 21:23:09

Yes, I saw it on Twitter/X

biglouis Mon 08-Jul-24 21:28:17

Our local candidate (for whom I unashamedly voted) is definitely a real person. I looked him up online.

NotSpaghetti Mon 08-Jul-24 21:30:26

I wonder what would have happened if an AI "fake" had actually won?

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 08-Jul-24 21:35:28

I looked up our local candidate and he was real - not that I had any intention of voting for him.

Deedaa Mon 08-Jul-24 21:38:03

When all the election leaflets came through the door I noticed that Reform one was the only one with no details at all about the candidate, just his name. It did make me wonder what they didn't want us to know.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 08-Jul-24 21:40:24

I think it might have been down to a lack of funds that all the leaflets simply mentioned the name of the local candidate - hence I googled the name out of curiosity.

NotSpaghetti Mon 08-Jul-24 21:45:35

I don't remember my local candidate
- but now I will look him up.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 08-Jul-24 21:50:18

So those people who voted for a non existent person - what happens?

There must be something in law to take Reform to court surely?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 08-Jul-24 21:56:10

Apparently Farage didn’t turn up as his first day as an MP -

Of course he didn’t.

Doodledog Mon 08-Jul-24 22:01:51

Apparently they had someone standing in York who was dead! They realised this when they sacked him for 'inactivity'.

Clearly the selection process is none too rigorous.

The one in my area has no information online. No picture or information on the 'your local candidates' website, nothing googleable - just nothing at all. I did try to find out what all the candidates had to say before the election, as we are a new constituency since the boundary changes. Everyone else had details, including the barmier independents, but nothing from Reform. They got a couple of thousand votes😲

Merion Mon 08-Jul-24 22:05:01

Whitewavemark2

Apparently Farage didn’t turn up as his first day as an MP -

Of course he didn’t.

Tee hee. I hope he knows the Parliamentary Oaths Act 1866 or rather, I hope he doesn't.

Merion Mon 08-Jul-24 22:07:31

A Reform source said: “All our candidates are categorically real. Given the rush, a few are just paper candidates and didn’t campaign. Some people began as paper candidates but then did campaign, and one of these – James McMurdock in South Basildon and East Thurrock – ended up winning his seat.” Guardian

It’s apparent that they nominated people who were just working in their regional offices for any random seat miles away. At least one office worker in Leicester has admitted that she was put up for the South Dorset seat. She did nothing to campaign or go near the constituency. Another name has come to light from Leicester who “stood” in Glasgow but no-one saw her.

www.richarddrax.com/news/election-blog-todays-times-reforms-paper-candidate-has-only-visited-south-dorset-once

What perplexes me is that you have to give nomination papers by hand to the Acting Returning Officer. Each nomination must have a sponsor, seconder and eight more assentors, The electoral roll number for each person must be given. The papers don't have to be handed in by the candidate but this applies:

Method of submitting the form to the (A)RO: by hand by yourself, your proposer or seconder, or by your election agent (if the (Acting) Returning Officer has previously received notification of their appointment). It cannot be submitted by post, fax, e-mail or other electronic means.

So this is a concerted administrative effort nationwide to set this up.

Now candidates have 35 days to get all their paperwork to the ARO - which will be interesting.

www.electoralcommission.org.uk/guidance-candidates-and-agents-local-government-elections-england/after-election/completing-your-return

J52 Mon 08-Jul-24 22:09:40

Apparently they had someone standing in York who was dead! They realised this when they sacked him for 'inactivity'.
Doodledog
Thanks, it’s the funniest thing I’ve heard of all day! 🤣🤣🤣

Callistemon213 Mon 08-Jul-24 22:54:28

Whitewavemark2

Apparently Farage didn’t turn up as his first day as an MP -

Of course he didn’t.

They should dock his pay.

Just as those NI MPs should have had their expenses docked (I understand they don't receive their salaries).
Grow up the lot of you and start representing your constituents.

Perhaps Farage lost his voice with all the talking he's been doing lately.

maddyone Mon 08-Jul-24 23:58:16

I certainly didn’t vote for our Reform candidate. In fact I’ve no idea who he is because I didn’t receive a leaflet and didn’t make any effort to find out anything about him since I had no interest. However, I’m not buying this silly story that these people don’t exist.

nanna8 Tue 09-Jul-24 00:47:50

I really wish the constant attacks on Farage would cease because now I am beginning to like him and think he has influence after all. He seems to be the whipping boy for everyone. His party only has 5 MPs so why the fuss ?

Crossstitchfan Tue 09-Jul-24 00:55:19

I was about to say the same thing! I wonder if it’s just ‘fashionable’ to dislike Farage. I sense a witch-hunt sometimes.
I saw him on ‘I’m a Celeb’ and have to admit that I really liked him. He was fair, considerate and charming. That can’t be said about many politicians I am familiar with.
What is up with people that they have to latch on to people and run them down all the time?

nanna8 Tue 09-Jul-24 01:10:42

Maybe he has replaced Meaghan now as Public Enemy Number One ? I’d sooner have him than her, I have to say.

NotSpaghetti Tue 09-Jul-24 01:21:36

I have no interest in him.
I was just amazed that some of the candidates might be fake.
My own turns out to be an ex- UKIP candidate. He is real - not AI generated.

growstuff Tue 09-Jul-24 06:00:26

For me, it's not "fashionable". I abhor his politics and always have done. I also think the way he operates is despicable.

As for his candidates, it appears that the one who was originally spotted is a real person, but the picture on his flyer was produced by AI, apparently because he didn't have a turquoise tie for an official photo. It doesn't look much like the real person.