Yvette Cooper / Migrant Watch / Stopping The Boats

Nicenanny3

Another 127 arrived yesterday on 2 boats, imagine what it will be like when the weather improves. Total 717 new arrivals since 6th July.

These are useful figures (if they are correct) as they are of course a result of the previous governments failure.

Once the present governments actions begin to take effect in a few months or so, we will hopefully see a reduction in the small boats over time.

Keep up the good work!

The figures are regularly reported Whitewave and not a secret. I don’t remember them though, or note them down. I see them reported on the Southern news reports, maybe you don’t watch those reports.

Incidentally I have little confidence that the numbers will reduce any time soon.

maddyone

Incidentally I have little confidence that the numbers will reduce any time soon.

I agree, because until the government is able to put everything in place, we are still operating on the previous governments regime.

maddyone

The figures are regularly reported Whitewave and not a secret. I don’t remember them though, or note them down. I see them reported on the Southern news reports, maybe you don’t watch those reports.

No it isn’t something I regularly take note of.

Migration is a human condition, and has been in existence for as long as humans have been on this earth.

It will almost certainly increase in future years because of such push factors as climate, war, starvation etc

The only way that it can be dealt with is by cooperation with our neighbours.

Whitewavemark2

Nicenanny3

Another 127 arrived yesterday on 2 boats, imagine what it will be like when the weather improves. Total 717 new arrivals since 6th July.

These are useful figures (if they are correct) as they are of course a result of the previous governments failure.

Once the present governments actions begin to take effect in a few months or so, we will hopefully see a reduction in the small boats over time.

Keep up the good work!

Is your name PollyAnna by any chance?🤔

Figures are from Government website. Perhaps instead of some posters having their heads in the sand they should take note.

This was not unexpected Nicenanny3. We all knew the small boats arriving wouldn't stop. Numbers have not gone up.

I feel sorry for the real refugees escaping persecution and wars. These blow ins are jumping the queue of people who really, really need help. The UK is obviously a soft touch and very attractive to the boat queue jumping people and the answer to that is blaringly obvious.

What is the answer nanna8?

nanna8

I feel sorry for the real refugees escaping persecution and wars. These blow ins are jumping the queue of people who really, really need help. The UK is obviously a soft touch and very attractive to the boat queue jumping people and the answer to that is blaringly obvious.

I also feel sorry for real refugees which is why we need a decent and humane way of processing legitimate claims. Unfortunately the Conservative government changed the law so anyone arriving without permission to claim asylum is illegal but to claim asylum you have to be on British soil. this makes it pretty impossible to claim asylum legally. eg We left lots of people in Afghanistan who would have been eligible for asylum without any means of legally claiming asylum and when they manage to find their way across nearly 6K kilometers escaping the Taliban, we say they are here illegally! Just disgraceful.

Good post foxie. The majority of asylum seekers in my town are from `Afghanistan, they would have been eligible for asylum had the departure been properly managed. The second largest group is from Syria so highly likely to get refugee status.
The uk is not a soft touch. We take less refugees than Germany or France

Agreed foxie and Iam.

I will never forget the images of desperate people at the airport in Afghanistan holding aloft British passports and clinging onto the wings of the final plane to leave. Absolutely heartbreaking!

In a civilised world, these people deserve refuge.

Well said foxie48, LizzyDrip and Iam64.

What makes me very sad is that there is so much misinformation that feeds this horrible rhetoric about refugees. If you try to put the correct information, you are immediately accused of wanting to swamp the country with illegals which makes it hard to have a proper grown up conversation. Migration of all sorts is an issue for every country and if we want to remain a country with influence in the world we have to a) play by the rules, b) acknowledge our responsibility towards refugees who have a tie to this country and c) be prepared to put sensible efficient systems into place to deal with genuine and not genuine refugees. We can't just stack them up in hotels, barges or army barracks and hope they go away or even worse, use them as a means of garnering support.

foxie48

What makes me very sad is that there is so much misinformation that feeds this horrible rhetoric about refugees. If you try to put the correct information, you are immediately accused of wanting to swamp the country with illegals which makes it hard to have a proper grown up conversation. Migration of all sorts is an issue for every country and if we want to remain a country with influence in the world we have to a) play by the rules, b) acknowledge our responsibility towards refugees who have a tie to this country and c) be prepared to put sensible efficient systems into place to deal with genuine and not genuine refugees. We can't just stack them up in hotels, barges or army barracks and hope they go away or even worse, use them as a means of garnering support.

Yep

LizzieDrip

Agreed foxie and Iam.

I will never forget the images of desperate people at the airport in Afghanistan holding aloft British passports and clinging onto the wings of the final plane to leave. Absolutely heartbreaking!

In a civilised world, these people deserve refuge.

We let those people down so badly didn’t we.

We did MayBee. It was a terrible blemish on us as a country.

MayBee70

LizzieDrip

Agreed foxie and Iam.

I will never forget the images of desperate people at the airport in Afghanistan holding aloft British passports and clinging onto the wings of the final plane to leave. Absolutely heartbreaking!

In a civilised world, these people deserve refuge.

We let those people down so badly didn’t we.

Yes it was quite dreadful, and I would hope that it is not who we are.

Yes WW, I hope that too

We can't just stack them up in hotels, barges or army barracks and hope they go away or even worse

Totally agree. I’m looking forward to the solution which stops that.

It doesn’t stop me being concerned for the homeless, jobless and poor already living in this country.

Hear, hear Mollygo

Mollygo

*We can't just stack them up in hotels, barges or army barracks and hope they go away or even worse*

Totally agree. I’m looking forward to the solution which stops that.

It doesn’t stop me being concerned for the homeless, jobless and poor already living in this country.

Caring about refugees doesn't stop people being concerned about the homeless, jobless and poor in this country.

Many of my friends volunteer to feed people in need in my town and also support refugees. The issues are not mutually exclusive. I volunteer in a charity shop that helps refugees, and the people who run the shop and several of the volunteers also cook and/or serve weekly for a group that feeds people in need of a meal 365 days of the year.

This idea that you don't care about people in need in the UK if you care about people from other countries has, IMO, been promoted by the last government, to distract from their own lamentable record of failing both. 'A classic case of divide and rule'.

I don't know any Gransnet members personally, but I would not be at all surprised if the people speaking up here for refugees are also helping, donating to or campaigning for people in need in the UK.

Spot on cloughdancer👏👏👏

LizzieDrip

Spot on cloughdancer👏👏👏

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