Trump shot at rally - just caught his ear.

News from the US said this had been planned well before. The young shooter is a Republican but it seems he had joined a faction so there are others involved in this too.

Living in a democracy brings responsibility.

First you don’t shot to kill those with whom you disagree.

Secondly if you are a leader in a democracy you do not encourage violence, division and hate.

It’s now being reported that Biden, while talking about Trump on Monday, said that it was “time to put him into a bullseye”.

If true he would certainly not have meant it literally, but it was a thoughtless thing to say. And of course the more extreme Trump supporters are now accusing the president of inciting violence.

biglouis put your tin hat on!

Whitewavemark2

He who lives by the sword………….

WHAT!

OurKid1

Am I the only person who thinks this may have been staged by Trump? That fist pump; the blood - as someone said above "it's all in the optics."

Don’t be stupid

Mt61

OurKid1

Am I the only person who thinks this may have been staged by Trump? That fist pump; the blood - as someone said above "it's all in the optics."

Don’t be stupid

Oh yeah and what about one shot dead and two critically injured. Trump was very lucky not to have been killed. If he was staging it then wouldn’t it have been blank shots and fake blood?

OurKid1

Am I the only person who thinks this may have been staged by Trump? That fist pump; the blood - as someone said above "it's all in the optics."

Don’t be ridiculous

OurKid1

Am I the only person who thinks this may have been staged by Trump? That fist pump; the blood - as someone said above "it's all in the optics."

Other people have said this, but I don't think it can be true. Not if other people were killed.

This thread is getting worse.
None of us should allow ourselves to be pulled into supporting assassinations of political figures, whoever they are, and whether or not we agree with their politics. I said the same upthread, but still we have posters on here allowing themselves to be influenced by their hatred for Trump. I don’t want a Trump government, and in fact I fear a Trump government, but I find some of the posts on here most distasteful and coming from the most liberal of posters, or so they tell us.
What happens in America often follows over here, be careful of what you wish for. And examine your conscience if you seriously wish people dead.

OurKid1

Am I the only person who thinks this may have been staged by Trump? That fist pump; the blood - as someone said above "it's all in the optics."

I thought it was interesting that so many, presumably younger, posters on Mumsnet jumped straight to the same conclusion late last night.

But posts were deleted as it was established hours ago that a spectator had died and two others were critically injured. Surely you can’t believe it was staged, knowing what we do now?

eazybee

The weapon was a rifle with telescopic sights.
What struck me about Trump following the assassination attempt was that he was virtually fighting off the attempts of his security police to get him into the van, so determined was he to appear triumphant and death defying. oblivious to the fact that they were creating a human shield and could easily be shot themselves.
Hitler survived several assassination attempts.

Why was he asking for his shoes? Does he take them off when he’s speaking at rallies? He gave no thought that others may have been hurt or may be hurt.

Sheesh - another thread that has me holding my head in my hands

Namsnanny
Have you seen the photo of him fist pumping with the flag behind and security wrestling him out of the stadium?
Looks just like the iconic photo of soldiers raising the flag in Iwo Jima, Ww2.
This has defined the election, it is his to win.

Macadia
I disagree. It is not a reason to win an election.

I am not convinced that the election campaign will be entirely based on reason.

Surely, there are those who regard Trump as a metaphorical 'Saviour' and - 'Make America Great Again', what does that even mean? All nations have their history of good and evil through a slow process towards civilisation. At which point does America want to return, "Again"?

Where are the serious politics? This is a battle between two personalities, and one of them has cult-like celebrity status, the other is a tired old man with memory lapses. That is the focus of this election.

Trump was surprised that such an act of violence could happen in America. Bearing in mind that there are more guns than people and the country has a history of individuals with grudges who resort to killing those they bear the grudge against, I'm surprised that he's surprised.

Namsnanny is probably right. That image of Trump fist-pumping and mouthing the words "fight, fight, fight" will probably win him the presidency.

Whatever the motive(s) of the one who took aim - are those motives ever clear-cut with delinquents with guns? - this will probably be the result.

maddyone

This thread is getting worse.
None of us should allow ourselves to be pulled into supporting assassinations of political figures, whoever they are, and whether or not we agree with their politics. I said the same upthread, but still we have posters on here allowing themselves to be influenced by their hatred for Trump. I don’t want a Trump government, and in fact I fear a Trump government, but I find some of the posts on here most distasteful and coming from the most liberal of posters, or so they tell us.
What happens in America often follows over here, be careful of what you wish for. And examine your conscience if you seriously wish people dead.

I think people are just pointing out that this is the sort of violence in politics that he himself has created for his own benefit and other people have died because of it and yet he survives. What happens in America follows here? We already have Farage .

Yes exactly, how can it be staged?

Mt61

Yes exactly, how can it be staged?

25 Avalon

Nicenanny3

I remember when Jo Brand asked “why bother with a milkshake when you could get some battery acid?”.

When David Aaronovitch said “if I was Biden I'd hurry up and have Trump murdered”.

Liberal intolerance is clear for all to see. (Nigel Farage today)

The same can be seen on here it seems to me. The hateful left.

Don’t try to suggest only the left provides hate - look at the Reform candidates, look at the Tory supporter who said Diane Abbot should be shot.
There are some hateful, nasty people in all areas of life.

Secret Service now being blamed for lack of preparation. Trumps supporters en masse on S/M blaming democrats (forgetting the Capitol invasion!).

I'd like to know as far as possible the motivations of the young man with the sniper rifle before conclusions are leapt to.

It certainly wasn’t staged. The SS were informed by the public that there was a gunman in plain view, funny they let him shoot, before they took him out- something sounds fishy to me🤔

I totally agree that Trump has used this kind of politics himself Maybee and I totally abhor it. However I do not agree that people are simply pointing this out, a few are, but others are absolutely not doing that. They are unfortunately allowing their hatred for Trump to influence their thinking to the point that at best, is callus disregard, at worst, wishing he’d died. One person did die as a result of the actions of this gunman and others were injured. I do not understand the thinking of people who wish any politician dead, especially from otherwise people who are apparently liberal in their thinking.
I don’t agree with the death penalty and therefore cannot condone the actions of anyone intent on murdering other people. Whoever they are.

People on here arent the left anyway, no idea what they are but not the left. I am left and I want to be a million miles away from these comments.

Regardless of my feelings about Farage, to my knowledge he has never called for violence or violent actions.
Anyway, this isn’t about Farage. He is a red herring and yet brought up in just about every political discussion.

Galaxy

People on here arent the left anyway, no idea what they are but not the left. I am left and I want to be a million miles away from these comments.

Are you joking galaxy, after all the nasty comments about Farage & Reform- certainly more people left leaning on here

Mt61

It certainly wasn’t staged. The SS were informed by the public that there was a gunman in plain view, funny they let him shoot, before they took him out- something sounds fishy to me🤔

Have you looked at the footage? This comment is the stuff of conspiracy nonsense.
Surely it’s bad enough that yet another American President/presidential candidate was subject to an assassination attempt.