Biden to stand down?

Biden has had his 4 years in the sun and needs to stand down on medical grounds. It's awful hearing him make more and more gaffs and people making fun of him. It's equally scary thinking he's the one making the big decision in the US. The longer he takes to leave the more likely the only option will be Harris as no time for anyone else to build support.

Whilst I agree Biden isn’t up to the job it means that psycho Trump will get in as there isn’t really anyone to oppose him

Does anyone think the Democrats have any chance at all? Regardless of what Biden decides….

Yes, in the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, not close enough to US politics too ?? president, but Biden should step down.

He's been clinging on past his sell by date for some time now. Perhaps he's getting bad advice from friends and family, I think he's putting self before country in not resigning. Trouble is if he resigns now then he's left it very late for his deputy or a. n. other to mount a substantial campaign.

mabon1

An old narcissist.

Talking about TRUMP obviously!

MayBee70

Wyllow3

Similar cuts Education.

Populist leaders like Trump don’t really want the electorate to be educated, do they

Exactly…Trump isn’t educated, he has native cunning and little else. He also isn’t a good Speaker as the OP said, he’s a Performer, a Showman grifter who can sell you Snake oil!
There are educated rumours that his father paid someone to take his exams for him… I wouldn’t discount that!

He's past his time, he's done a lot of good for America , nowt to do with his, he is clearly failing and for me he is an old narcissist. I sure don't want Trump though.

Whitewavemark2

Oh I do hope so. Biden has been a good man, but I would hate to think that he would put himself before the country though.

I do hope that they don’t choose Harris though. I think that she is a none starter.

Agree with this ^ I cannot imagine what Biden will be like in 4 years time. He should be resting and enjoying hobbies.

Listen to his speeches properly URMSTONGRAN, where are the Policies? What is he going to actually DO about all the morass of things he complains about?
He tells Lies and exaggerates stats, he shouts about the Left are doing things oh so badly, he shouts retribution, then wanders off about electric boats and sharks, etc. He is going to bring peace to the world, stop the wars … HOW? He is going to save America…from what? Its economy is doing wonderfully overall, even if the average person is seeing rises in groceries etc, so are we all… prices rise. He is going to make more tax cuts ….that once again benefit the rich! Etc etc…please open your eyes Trump supporters and THINK, Fact check…oh and someone said he’s a believer…he isn’t, that’s another ploy to bring in all the varieties of Christians in the USA… there is one thing and one thing only Trump believes in - and that is TRUMP! Re Biden I believe he has human faults like most, but overall he does believe in Democracy and his record shows he has worked hard to undo all the harm Trump did in office. Trump is an Isolationist, but these days you can’t cut yourself off from what is happening in the rest of the world. Biden is a Globalist and realises that what happens in Ukraine, Russia, Israel, etc etc, has lasting effects on your own country…imagine Putin left to run riot, etc, Isreal left to complete the genocide of Gaza…all that affects the economy, trade, etc. Biden probably should be replaced ( I’d vote for Jamie Raskin, or Pete Buttigeig anyday) but if I were able to vote, I can’t I’m A Brit, I’d vote for a corpse over Trump all the time!

suelld

Listen to his speeches properly URMSTONGRAN, where are the Policies? What is he going to actually DO about all the morass of things he complains about?
He tells Lies and exaggerates stats, he shouts about the Left are doing things oh so badly, he shouts retribution, then wanders off about electric boats and sharks, etc. He is going to bring peace to the world, stop the wars … HOW? He is going to save America…from what? Its economy is doing wonderfully overall, even if the average person is seeing rises in groceries etc, so are we all… prices rise. He is going to make more tax cuts ….that once again benefit the rich! Etc etc…please open your eyes Trump supporters and THINK, Fact check…oh and someone said he’s a believer…he isn’t, that’s another ploy to bring in all the varieties of Christians in the USA… there is one thing and one thing only Trump believes in - and that is TRUMP! Re Biden I believe he has human faults like most, but overall he does believe in Democracy and his record shows he has worked hard to undo all the harm Trump did in office. Trump is an Isolationist, but these days you can’t cut yourself off from what is happening in the rest of the world. Biden is a Globalist and realises that what happens in Ukraine, Russia, Israel, etc etc, has lasting effects on your own country…imagine Putin left to run riot, etc, Isreal left to complete the genocide of Gaza…all that affects the economy, trade, etc. Biden probably should be replaced ( I’d vote for Jamie Raskin, or Pete Buttigeig anyday) but if I were able to vote, I can’t I’m A Brit, I’d vote for a corpse over Trump all the time!

Bravo !
To those who doubt that Democrats can’t win, let’s not forget that the Trump supporters are loud and obvious but the Democrats are quiet but determined . We haven’t forgotten what TRAITOR Trump did on January 6 th!
The best is I CAN vote .

Yes be clever and good like Suelld. The problem is whilst I oppose Trump under no circumstances does the morality expressed here - judging how people react when shot, lying about the health of Biden reflect a morality I want to embrace.

Vintagewhine

Project 2025 is extremely worrying. Unfortunately most Trump supporters and clearly many posters on here are totally ignorant of what it contains perhaps they should read it? Trump is dangerous and he's better organised this time round so if the Democrats stick with Biden , they'll definitely lose.

Project 2025 is a frightening read. Trump is out for revenge for the humiliation of not being re-elected on 2020, and some scary people are cashing in on this, literally.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/20/tech-broligarchs-court-trump-vance-elon-musk-peter-thiel

This man funds JD Vance.

I can't decide who would be worse...Biden or Trump 🤔

Trump. Because although we focus here to some extent on the personalities, we are looking at important policy differences in the big picture between the parties.

Fudgemonkey

I can't decide who would be worse...Biden or Trump 🤔

Let me help you ; BIDEN
Maybe reread this thread for more hints about Traitor Trump .
Biden has a good productive team and a capable Vice President in Harris . If something happens to Biden that is our backup.
Trump will be at the behest of those whose belief system is Project 2025 .
His VP Vance was one of the architects and authors .
This will give the presidency the powers of a dictator . Do see Trumps support of Viktor Orban as well .

Wyllow3

Trump. Because although we focus here to some extent on the personalities, we are looking at important policy differences in the big picture between the parties.

What policies Wyllow ?
Project 2025 ?
Don’t say policies without knowing what you are talking about .
I don’t want a decentralised government without checks and balances .
This is Trumps goal .

Trump is worse Fudgemonkey

But it's still bonkers that neither the Republicans nor The Democrats have found someone else.

Sorry, assumed my posts on the last page made my view clear. Yes, Project25 and policies generally especially health, education and welfare.

Syracute did you actually mean to say Trump would be worse?

I think maybe you mis-typed?

Wyllow3

Yes, in the House of Representatives and the U.S. Senate, not close enough to US politics too ?? president, but Biden should step down.

Your comment is confusing . I am a US citizen , grew up in the USA and was educated there . I know how the politics work. Traitor Trump is threatening to upend the checks and balances of the US government . He has an affinity for dictators like Orban , has even admired Putin .
You have not come up with any concrete policies of his nor commented on Project 2025 .
So many Trump supporters here have no idea of his specific policies of his . Ignore his dangerous populist commentary .
His latest speech was rife with lies and contradictory statements to his RNC statements .
He said no more discussion of my shooting , just this one time . Guess what he did at the latest Trump rally : talk about the shooting .
He said he wanted no more aggressive speech
Against his opponents . He immediately started attacking his opponents with childish speech . Crazy Nancy , Crazy Kamala .
He is a hypocrite and a liar . He is not to be trusted !
I do trust Biden and his team .
They will not destroy democracy .

NotSpaghetti

Syracute did you actually mean to say Trump would be worse?

I think maybe you mis-typed?

Did you mean me or Wyllow ?

Trump would be a disaster for the USA and the world. Boden might beat him but a younger, fresher candidate might have more chance. It's up to the Democrats.

Syracute

Urmstongran

Actually “The Hill Billy Elegy” was a best seller in 2016. I’d forgotten I’d got it on my kindle from Amazon. Just rereading it. It is a page turner. Vance is a very good communicator. Still. despite really poor start in life he got to Yale university.
Now, Trump’s running mate.

Well it is no longer well regarded as it is an insult to those in Appalachia and is based on a lot of falsehoods . He was fitting a narrative for political aspirations . He did not grow up in Appalachia but a suburb in Ohio . The book is being roundly condemned . So if you read the book, you need to read why it’s now very controversial . It’s a good story of which much is fiction .

Great to hear form somebody who knows what they are talking about.

A good read and a good listen but utterly fictional.

I wonder what is wrong with women that they feel they need to be impressed by a guy in a suit, or unclipping a pen, or on a podium or whatever they offer.

Very good piece in the Observer today arguing that even as late in the day as this if the Democrats really pull together behind a new young energetic candidate (i.e not KH) they could defeat Trump. And that once the search for a new candidate is on it will re-energise them

I'd have agreed with that 6 or maybe even 3 months ago but now it seems impossible. Understand that KH has been a shallow disappointment but even so. The Observer also showed a photo from the Washington Post of her opening an ice cream parlour yesterday. Jeepers if that's the best her party can line up for her to do...