Police car flipped over and bus on fire in Leeds as riots break out.

Iam64

Oreo
Definition of policing by consent and historic principles of British Policing is set out by the Home Office as recently as 10.12.12
It’s a long document available on line. It refers to the long standing philosophy of British Policing set out in general instructions to every new Police Officer from 1829
1. To prevent crime and disorder, as an alternative to their repression by military force and severity of legal punishment.

2. To recognise always that the power of the police to fulfil their functions and duties is dependent on public approval of their existence, actions and behaviour and on their ability to secure and maintain public respect

There are 9 points in total. My legendary tech skills don’t run to copy and paste.

Essentially, as explained by the notable police historian in New Study of Police History in 1956, it was a philosophy of policing ‘unique in history and throughout the world because it derived not from fear but almost exclusively from public co-operation with the police, induced by them designedly by behaviour which secures and maintains for them the approval , respect and affection of the public.. Home office definition
of policing by consent

I remembered the policing by consent issue because I learned it from my father - a police officer

So was my ex DH who was a DI in the Met.😃
Policing by consent doesn’t mean the police need any consent from members of the public when they ( the police) are carrying out their duties against lawbreakers.
1829 was a long time ago and it was thought that the public wouldn’t put up with strong arm tactics from a newly formed semi military force.
Where mass public disorder is happening it’s the duty of police officers to both keep innocent householders safe from them and prevent looting and violence.
It was obvs decided to withdraw in this case as Roma were involved.

Iam64

I don’t believe I’m the only poster finding confrontational posts are becoming more common on gransnet. There was a thread recently asking if people were scared to post. I’m not scared to post. I m less inclined to when personal insults begin to dominate.
Of course views differ. That sometimes mean we see a different point of view we may disagree with without goading.

I think I may have started that thread Iam64, mainly because I received PMs from people saying they agree with me about certain things but dare not say so on here!

I do have my own views on things and am not afraid to say so. I have never knowingly been rude or offensive to anybody on here but some people are often either very rude to me or make nasty comments.

If I comment on something (say, holiday lets, of which we own one) then I get a couple of followers on other threads trying to have a dig at me and trying to get the conversation to go that way. It doesn’t bother ME but others stop posting when it happens to them. And all because their opinions are different to mine. Bit childish really

I agree with both Iam64 and you Primrose53
Mind you, what one person calls confrontational is seen by another just as assertive.Personal insults should be reported and not tolerated.

Water cannons are only legal in Northern Ireland Maizie and Oreo.

Which is part of GB. Therefore, water cannon the Irish but not acceptable on the mainland. Disgraceful.

I don’t believe policing by consent equals the police need consent from members of the public. It’s the principle of good practice that’s central.
My dad returned as super cid - his funeral well attended by other retired officers. Like dad they’d joined a county force after serving in ww2. There was an interesting discussion with a group, talking about changes over their working lives. One raised the miners strike, saying it would take a generation to re-build public trust after the shocking scenes of police on horses charging miners, and Met officers waving overtime slips.
Times change but decency and the principle of what policing by consent means dont

The Northern Ireland police carry guns.

They are reviewing this but I'm guessing rules on guns and water cannons are a consequence of a particular history.

Wiki says its under review.

Times do change and we have to change with them.The difference between back in the day and now is that the public generally and lowlives in particular have no respect for the Police which puts them, the Police in danger.If the public see that they back off from confrontation then even more so.
We need more Police, the service has been run down, just as the military have.

I think the police need a good strong union to make sure that that they do not go out unprotected. It’s just not on to be totally unarmed ( not necessarily guns) in this day and age. I don’t have a problem with guns,personally, armed police here have saved many lives by shooting a perpetrator. Recently in Sydney, thank God for that policewoman and her gun.

We need more police for sure. We also need a government that demonstrates support, not contempt for police and other public servants. A change in cultures, demonstrated by parliamentarians

Primrose53

Iam64

I don’t believe I’m the only poster finding confrontational posts are becoming more common on gransnet. There was a thread recently asking if people were scared to post. I’m not scared to post. I m less inclined to when personal insults begin to dominate.
Of course views differ. That sometimes mean we see a different point of view we may disagree with without goading.

I think I may have started that thread Iam64, mainly because I received PMs from people saying they agree with me about certain things but dare not say so on here!

I do have my own views on things and am not afraid to say so. I have never knowingly been rude or offensive to anybody on here but some people are often either very rude to me or make nasty comments.

If I comment on something (say, holiday lets, of which we own one) then I get a couple of followers on other threads trying to have a dig at me and trying to get the conversation to go that way. It doesn’t bother ME but others stop posting when it happens to them. And all because their opinions are different to mine. Bit childish really

I agree with both of you. For me, there is a huge difference in discussing a topic and having different viewpoints which are expressed in a measured and balanced way and being just downright rude, patronising, and superior. Being rude on a public forum does not show intellectual superiority, rather egotistically driven disparagement. I must confess that when I read some of the rude one liners I lose interest in the poster and regard them as lowering the tone of what could be an enlightening discussion. Back to the discussion............