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What on earth is wrong with the Tory party.

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Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 16:11:13

I’ve just watched an incident in which Victoria Atkins was told by the speaker that she had behaved abominably. I would tend to agree, but I thought her performance was rather like a screeching fishwife.

Earlier this week I watched Badenoch give a speech that was deeply unpleasant, patronising, and a classless embarrassment.

It would be a massive mistake for the Tories to even begin to consider her as the next leader, not only for her abysmal parliamentary performances, but also for her failure as a government minister.

Although if they want to loose the next election then I would heartily commend her as the next leader.

Merion Sat 20-Jul-24 18:57:30

Both Atkins and Badenoch were in contempt. Enough new and old MPs on X expressing their astonishment at the behaviour on the Tories benches so it could go to the Committee of Privileges or the Committee on Standards. I hope so. It’s early in the Parliament and Hoyle needs to make an example of these two rather than let them get away with what they did yesterday.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 18:57:33

I’ve just been reading an article on the BBC - a Tory strategist is of the opinion, that all of the potential candidates for the leadership have significant weaknesses, and in his opinion none will ever make a prime minister. Good to know.

Merion Sat 20-Jul-24 19:10:46

Watching the election night coverage on BBC, Lord Mandelson expressed his disappointment that Penny Mordaunt had lost her seat. He considers her as someone strong enough to stand up to the populist right and take none of Farage’s nonsense.

I read that she may attempt a comeback. I’m thinking if there’s a recall petition soon or a by-election for some other reason she could stand again in another constituency - for now.

As the Reform MPs are breaching Nolan every single day, I can see one or more of them being hauled in front of the Standards Committee soon, suspended and their seats subject to recall so she may get a chance.

Casdon Sat 20-Jul-24 19:17:24

I think it would be good for UK politics if Mordaunt returned. Not least for party morale, because she is one of the biggest losses the Tories had in terms of her commitment to the future of the party. She’s not a hysterical type, which is also greatly in her favour.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 19:18:02

I have been hoping that parliamentary standards will improve after the past few years, and imo now is the time to begin.

What happened in parliament this week was disgraceful and both women should be censured.

GrannyGravy13 Sat 20-Jul-24 19:22:47

Another Penny Mourdant fan here.

Urmstongran Sat 20-Jul-24 19:24:13

Casdon

I read today that Suella Braverman is rumoured to be considering defecting to Reform. That would be one out of the leadership equation, not that I can imagine Farage and her as political bedfellows.

I can.

growstuff Sat 20-Jul-24 19:25:01

GrannyGravy13

Another Penny Mourdant fan here.

If she hadn't lost her seat, she would have been a shoe-in for leader of the party, if this is the opposition.

Casdon Sat 20-Jul-24 19:28:38

I really want to see parliamentary standards improve too Whitewavemark2. I bet if you polled the MPs the vast majority of them would want that too. It’s time to move away from the lack of discipline and poor behaviour of the last 5 years, and I include all parties in that statement.

Casdon Sat 20-Jul-24 19:31:11

Urmstongran

Casdon

I read today that Suella Braverman is rumoured to be considering defecting to Reform. That would be one out of the leadership equation, not that I can imagine Farage and her as political bedfellows.

I can.

Can you? Do you see Suella complying with the Farage way of doing things? I just can’t imagine her not constantly breaking ranks and wanting things her way. She always strikes me as wanting to be in charge.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 19:34:15

She wouldn’t be prepared to play second fiddle to Farage. Her eyes are set on leadership.

Merion Sat 20-Jul-24 19:44:15

Changes are coming.

On July 6, the day after the election results, Hannah White, Director of the Institute for Government tweeted this: Good to hear Keir Starmer say his first remarks to Cabinet were to establish the standards he expects of them, and that he has had an early meeting with Sir Laurie Magnus - the PM’s adviser on ministerial interests - in line with our recommendations.

Those recommendations are listed here:

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/press-release/seven-steps-restore-trust-government-ethics

They include:

1. Publish, promote and provide independent enforcement of a new Ministerial Code designed to guide the ethical conduct of ministers.

2. Enable ministers, senior public officials and special advisers to identify, manage and report conflicts of interest, by establishing a fair and robust new system.

Mollygo Sat 20-Jul-24 19:46:42

eazybee

Well, I have answered the question before, 'What will Labour do when they have won the Election?', which is, continue Tory bashing.
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Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 19:47:21

It cant happen too soon.

Their conduct in the house should be monitored and disciplined.

Casdon Sat 20-Jul-24 19:47:34

That looks really good Merion.

growstuff Sat 20-Jul-24 19:51:01

Mollygo

eazybee

Well, I have answered the question before, 'What will Labour do when they have won the Election?', which is, continue Tory bashing.
👏👏👏

Those two Tories deserve a "bashing". Their behaviour was childish and totally inappropriate. They should have been asked to leave the House. Quite honestly, anybody who applauds the behaviour has shown up how low their standards are.

PS. I'm not normally a Labour voter.

growstuff Sat 20-Jul-24 19:51:52

Whitewavemark2

It cant happen too soon.

Their conduct in the house should be monitored and disciplined.

But does that only cover those in government?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 19:53:24

I don’t know. And I would have thought that the speaker should have more discipline over their behaviour.

Urmstongran Sat 20-Jul-24 19:56:36

Casdon

I really want to see parliamentary standards improve too Whitewavemark2. I bet if you polled the MPs the vast majority of them would want that too. It’s time to move away from the lack of discipline and poor behaviour of the last 5 years, and I include all parties in that statement.

Well said Casdon.

Rockyroad Sat 20-Jul-24 20:02:13

GrannyGravy13

Another Penny Mourdant fan here.

Not as classy as Angela though.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 20:02:33

Casdon

I really want to see parliamentary standards improve too Whitewavemark2. I bet if you polled the MPs the vast majority of them would want that too. It’s time to move away from the lack of discipline and poor behaviour of the last 5 years, and I include all parties in that statement.

Yes it has to or else it isnt going to work or change.

Merion Sat 20-Jul-24 20:11:39

I suspect the reason Atkins and Badenoch weren’t ask to leave is because it was close on 2:30pm and the session was ending.

What we don’t know is what Chope did afterwards (if anything at all to his own party members) or what Hoyle might do. As I said earlier, so many MPs taking to social media voicing their dismay at the behaviour that I suspect more than a few official complaints will be made.

How Chope ever became Deputy Speaker is a mystery. Some might remember him and others filibustering/blocking private member’s bills on free hospital parking for carers. making upskirting a crime and making it an offence to attack police dogs, police horses and prison officer dogs.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 20-Jul-24 20:14:42

Chope - yes I do. Frankly how he got voted in again is a mystery .

growstuff Sat 20-Jul-24 20:31:15

Whitewavemark2

Casdon

I really want to see parliamentary standards improve too Whitewavemark2. I bet if you polled the MPs the vast majority of them would want that too. It’s time to move away from the lack of discipline and poor behaviour of the last 5 years, and I include all parties in that statement.

Yes it has to or else it isnt going to work or change.

If Badenoch does become Conservative Party leader, I expect we'll see more of that kind of thing at PMQs. She might have got away with her third form bitchfest directed at Angela Rayner, but I wonder what Keir Starmer will make of her.

Urmstongran Sat 20-Jul-24 20:50:13

Whitewavemark2

Chope - yes I do. Frankly how he got voted in again is a mystery .

He’s 77 which surprised me.