Above inflation pay rises for teachers and NHS staff?

I hope labour helps the early years sector as well. I have 18 months to go and would love to see better working conditions and a pay increase. I work in the private sector nursery and it’s been terrible since returning after covid. My little darlings left on Friday the last covid babies good luck to the reception teachers some children left still not fully toilet trained some struggled to put coats on and some have real speech problems. Not our fault we did our best. Sorry for the rant.

silverlining48

There were about 3,500 zSure Starts and as a social worker I saw how successful they were.
Tories closed down 1500. A short sighted decision.

As of June 2019 there were 2,350 Sure Start Centres and 700 children’s centre linked sites.

We have one close to us, it is probably going to close because it is just not used by local parents.

Sorry, when I first started researching this, there was mention of cuts to SureStart centres under Labour, or I wouldn’t have mentioned it, but I can’t find the reference now.
What there is reference to is the impact of Sure Start. Depending on which source/statistic you use the outcomes are different e.g. this, from the IFS report.
^the study also looks at those children’s developmental progress and educational attainment at ages 5, 7 and 11. Interestingly, the IFS can find no statistically significant improvement in developmental scores among 5-year-olds who lived close to Sure Start centres – i.e. the age at which you might expect children to be showing the greatest advancement. The ‘Sure Start’ effect only seems to have kicked in at age 7, before peaking at age 11 – by which point children had been at school for six years. Can you really attribute that to Sure Start centres – or to other policies which targeted schools in similar, deprived areas?

Not SureStart yet again!

That's interesting, Mollygo, because then we have this from April of this year. Same researching body:

'Children living near Sure Start centres did better at GCSEs, study suggests'

Children from low-income families who grew up near a Sure Start centre did better than their peers at GCSEs, says the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS).

www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-68763942

I'm not contesting what you found. It's just that the long term effect 'seems' to have been beneficial.

eazybee

Not SureStart yet again!

Why not?

It's interesting for some people.

The article I read said the impact of SS peaked at age 11, when the children had already been in school six years and could very well have been attributed to things like pupil premium etc. which took up some of the money previously used for SS and provides support for children who qualify and benefits indirectly, the other children.

There is a very comprehensive report on the impact, positive and negative and neutral on the children and their family which is taking me a while to read through.

Some SS centres merged with Family Hubs but the most interesting thing I’ll be following up is whether Starmer believes so implicitly in the value of SS that he will reinstate them, whilst hopefully continuing to maintain Pupil Premium.

Of course public sector workers like teachers, nurses and doctors should get a decent pay rise after years of inaction by the Tories who were quite content to deride them while supinely letting water companies polute rivers and pay their bosses outrageous bonuses.

Sure start helped many families living chaotic lives and not managing parenthood to cope better with their children, to be patient, consistent, create boundaries, how to play with their children , eat together, read to them. All the things that they may not have experienced themselves.
If that led to children doing better at school later it was a bonus of course, but it was more about good parenting and creating happier families.

Overdue and well deserved.
Has even one public sector worker - especially nurses - managed to pay any bill with all the silly clapping and saucepan banging that went on in the Pandemic every Thursday?

Thought not!

Oh my I hated that clapping thing. I felt pressured into doing it from my upstairs bedroom window but mostly I didn't bother.
I think it began in Italy where most people lived in apartments with balconies. It just didn't tranfer here, especially if you live in a terraced house and have to stand very close to your neighbour. Stupid really.

I know a few nurses and they told me they preferred people to keep away from each other rather than clapping.
My neighbours used to gather in a group to clap. How was that helping the NHS?

Clapping and saucepan banging was encouraged by the Tory Buffoon to divert people from his incompetent government and the real issues, including NHS pay.

I hope the pay rise goes ahead.

Harris27

I hope labour helps the early years sector as well. I have 18 months to go and would love to see better working conditions and a pay increase. I work in the private sector nursery and it’s been terrible since returning after covid. My little darlings left on Friday the last covid babies good luck to the reception teachers some children left still not fully toilet trained some struggled to put coats on and some have real speech problems. Not our fault we did our best. Sorry for the rant.

Not toilet trained, poor speech, don't parents speak to their children, teach them how to put coats on, train them to use toilets, I don't understand why it's your job,. I really despair of some parenting nowadays.
Pay should be commensurate with qualifications surely.

It’s not rocket science, is it 🤷‍♀️ give working folk more money and they spend it = the butterfly affect.
That’s why the city likes Rachel Reeves.

Most parents do,(train children) but an increasing number don't, because 'the school, nursery will sort it out.'
Watching some mothers collecting their small children and walking home, transfixed by their mobiles.
What is it they are watching?
How do I manage to get through a whole day without looking at my mobile once?

petra

It’s not rocket science, is it 🤷‍♀️ give working folk more money and they spend it = the butterfly affect.
That’s why the city likes Rachel Reeves.

It's a bit of 'not rocket science' that Reeves doesn't admit to knowing, though, with all this ridiculous 'can't afford it' nonsense and her straitjacketing 'fiscal rules'.

This isn't just my opinion. William Keegan in the Observer yesterday points out that Andy Haldane, former BoE chief economist, said of her 'fiscal rules "By constraining investment and stunting growth these are self defeating". Keegan clearly agrees with him 😆

I think the woman is bonkers, or lying to us...

MaizieD
Before the election she spoke about the investment promised by investors. This will surely come through the house building programme.
I think she’s keeping her powder dry because she doesn’t want to frighten the horses.
I still have faith.

Kim19

I hope the pay rise goes ahead.

I do as well.

Social workers need pay rises too! My daughter is being offered a retention sum to stay in post for 2 years ! It will be taxed! But she is tempted as it will pay for a much needed holiday!
She has no chance of promotion and non pay rise on the horizon either !
I agree with teachers and NHS staff pay increases ! Only way to maintain staff will stay

Good idea, the previous idea of trickle down economics was pretty stupid as rich people don't spend all their cash they save it. Putting it in the pockets of people who need it and will spend it seems a much more sensible way of getting the economy to grow.

Labours pay rise for teachers has a glitch- to cancel the teachers pension in return. Because the TP is paid on a Ponzi system ie thise paying into the scheme are funding those pensions of the teachers who have retired, means there will be no funding for the teachers pensions of those who are now retired. So where will that come from?

That’s scary mlynne239. So DH’s pension was reduced by Gordon Brown and now there’s a threat to teacher’s pensions.

I'm v much in favour of the teachers pay rise as DD is a teacher and works so many hours.
But will it be fully funded as atm DDs school can't afford TAs to help with slow learners or children with additional needs and the Head has to help out quite frequently during violent outbursts.