Manchester Airport Assault

Wyllow3

Then we need to try and steer it back on course.

The Rochdale family have made further requests yet again:
“requesting that the people refrain from attending the planned Manchester Airport demonstration this weekend.”

Whole statement

“Mr Waugh posted on X a statement headed "Rochdale Family plea to communities", which said: "The family of the Manchester Airport incident has issued an appeal for calm and healing, requesting that the people refrain from attending the planned Manchester Airport demonstration this weekend.

"We would also not like anyone to be inconvenienced as a result."

The statement added that the family "appreciated the support given" but "urged everyone to respect their wishes during this difficult time".

Mr Waugh said a meeting held in Rochdale on Friday had "made clear that this is a community that strongly believes in the rule of law, that the criminal justice system should follow the evidence wherever it leads, and that offenders should be punished appropriately".

He added: "Those present also rightly stressed that the law should be applied equally to everyone - and that no one, particularly the police, should be above the law."
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I would also like other MP’s, including Tice, who don’t have in any way the full picture at their disposal to stop inflaming the situation.a letter from Tice's to Yvette Cooper has placed the blame for the incident firmly on the shoulders of the men involved - not the police. Tice has already said the kicking in the head was "Reassuring"

And we simply do not know yet the way the situation escalated.

Wyllow3 Richard Tice did not say that the kicking in the head was Reassuring you are spreading false information.

Definition of Libel
The legally indefensible publication or broadcast of words or images that are degrading to a person or injurious to his or her reputation.
An incidence of such publication or broadcast.
The written claims initiating a suit in an admiralty court.

Wyllow3

Sorry not to give sources, google ‘Tice kicking reassuring’ there are many reliable references, and his letter to Cooper is in the DM in full.)

Tice also reposted the four year old picture from a different incident, claiming it was the female officer whose nose had been broken. He has thousands of followers, who then commented and reposted the picture.

The only reason he could have had for doing that was to incite people against those who allegedly broke the officer's nose.

I think we've all read stories about what led up to the incident, although as far as I know, no actual footage has emerged. Of course anybody who attacked police officers should be prosecuted, BUT none of us know the full facts.

Tice is an MP now and he should be upholding democracy and justice, not trying to be divisive.

Nicenanny3

Wyllow3

Then we need to try and steer it back on course.

The Rochdale family have made further requests yet again:
“requesting that the people refrain from attending the planned Manchester Airport demonstration this weekend.”

Whole statement

“Mr Waugh posted on X a statement headed "Rochdale Family plea to communities", which said: "The family of the Manchester Airport incident has issued an appeal for calm and healing, requesting that the people refrain from attending the planned Manchester Airport demonstration this weekend.

"We would also not like anyone to be inconvenienced as a result."

The statement added that the family "appreciated the support given" but "urged everyone to respect their wishes during this difficult time".

Mr Waugh said a meeting held in Rochdale on Friday had "made clear that this is a community that strongly believes in the rule of law, that the criminal justice system should follow the evidence wherever it leads, and that offenders should be punished appropriately".

He added: "Those present also rightly stressed that the law should be applied equally to everyone - and that no one, particularly the police, should be above the law."
(I player)

I would also like other MP’s, including Tice, who don’t have in any way the full picture at their disposal to stop inflaming the situation.a letter from Tice's to Yvette Cooper has placed the blame for the incident firmly on the shoulders of the men involved - not the police. Tice has already said the kicking in the head was "Reassuring"

And we simply do not know yet the way the situation escalated.

Wyllow3 Richard Tice did not say that the kicking in the head was Reassuring you are spreading false information.

Definition of Libel
The legally indefensible publication or broadcast of words or images that are degrading to a person or injurious to his or her reputation.
An incidence of such publication or broadcast.
The written claims initiating a suit in an admiralty court.

Tice's actual words were "Based on what I've heard and seen, that actually this is not distressing - this is reassuring."

There's an irony in the claim that Wyllow3 has spread false information.

I can give you the source of Tice saying, …”this is not distressing; it is reassuring.” It was on Talk TV. Jeremy Kyle talking to Tice at 58 minutes:

watch.talk.tv/watch/replay/19059329/jeremy-kyle

This is the same behaviour we saw from Reform MPs during the Harehills disturbances - commenting on media including social media about an incident they had scant information on and have proved to be entirely wrong about.

I thought that other MP said something similar - can't remember his name.
30p Lee?

Callistemon213

I thought that other MP said something similar - can't remember his name.
30p Lee?

Lee Anderson.
It's all inflammatory rhetoric.

nanaK54

Callistemon213

I thought that other MP said something similar - can't remember his name.
30p Lee?

Lee Anderson.
It's all inflammatory rhetoric.

Judging by the thousands of comments on social media, people fall for it.

FWIW I think the family in Rochdale should get themselves a different lawyer - one who isn't out to turn this into a political cause and enhance his own reputation.

This works both ways.

Whitewavemark2

Wyllow3

(I'd like to see an acceptance that we greatly value the police and their work but that they can make at times serious errors)

That is my position.

Mine too.
I was reading on the BBC news site that Manchester Police have a bad reputation, particularly as regards women.
In this airport incident we only see a segment of what went on but the kicking looked bad.DP says one mitigating factor after viewing footage is that the kick and the stamp look ‘light’ and if it hadn’t been, then the man on the ground wouldn’t have been raising his head and looking around moments later.
Guess we have to see what comes out in the wash.

Yes, Lee Anderson. He was interviewed in Parliament by the BBC and said, … these police should be commended and given a medal. Again he has scant information and zero context for what really happened.

And you have to ask yourself, why, when there are 650 MPs in Parliament, do they choose him? Or is he asking to be interviewed?

Not that we didn’t already know it but these five MPs are using every opportunity to stir up racial discord. This week in Parliament, four our of the five have spoken, three questions and two maiden speeches from Farage and Tice (on which they both breached Parliamentary convention) and all five about immigration. They sit in the HoC egging one another on. Hear, hear. Good question. The fifth, James McMurdock, the paper candidate who was elected, is yet to speak but he needs to be careful. He has served a custodial sentence for assault on a young woman and is a proven liar.

The Cabinet Office is supporting the development of a new Ethics and Integrity Commission - aiming to deliver a "much needed reset on standards in public life”. That can’t come soon enough. I think it’s only a matter of time before at least or more are suspended - then they can start wailing about being cancelled.

Lee Anderson is a poorly educated mysogynist and racist. He left the Labour party and joined the party in government and then was voted back in by the people of Ashfield despite leaving for Reform.

I do think he has shot himself in the foot this time as he is very much in a minority company (Reform is not a political party but a business) and still thinks he's in government.

When he finally realises what he's done he'll be floundering around like a kid who chose to be on the wrong team.

The media shouldn't court him though- he'll soon learn that being on the losing side of the HoC and not being made much of by the likes of Jacob Rees Mogg anymore I think he'll just get bored and slink into obscurity along with Farage and Tice and that other bloke no one's heard of.

Yes, Lee Anderson. He was interviewed in Parliament by the BBC and said, … these police should be commended and given a medal. Again he has scant information and zero context for what really happened.

And you have to ask yourself, why, when there are 650 MPs in Parliament, do they choose him? Or is he asking to be interviewed?
Yes, him.
I did ask the same question at the time.

Of course, the majority of MPs will be waiting for the full details to emerge and probably a statement from Andy Burnham.

There is a longer video on social media of the events leading up to the officer’s actions.

It doesn’t justify what he did, but I understand why.

youtu.be/eUJ7RQ3bgiA?si=Tn06eXus44xctaWS

That’s the one Nicenanny3

Animals. The amount of times he punches the policewoman. How dare they demand anything. After watching that I’m furious.

I havent seen the footage and don't know what went on. However, it could have been an assassination attempt, violence against passengers or the police, if so in the heat of the moment to save lives the police have to do whats needed. They are there to look after us, not to be violated and abused. It must have been very serious and i want to know the police have my back. There's too much condemnation by people who know nothing of the circumstances and just like to knock the police at every opportunity. If you had a daughter in the police would you like her assaulted. You cant just tap these people on the knuckles, a lot wouldn't think twice what happened to you.

Looking at that, the police would have been justified in using firearms as a matter of public safety.
Airports are crowded places and this could have escalated into a very nasty situation, particularly if those men had been able to take the firearms off the police.

And this type of criminal walks amongst us.

tickingbird

Animals. The amount of times he punches the policewoman. How dare they demand anything. After watching that I’m furious.

I'm missing something. He punched the policewoman once.

I believe those two have been arrested and bailed. Of course they should be prosecuted.

Nevertheless, they really didn't look that threatening before they were approached by the police. The man with the blue top was on the ground and had been tasered, so I don't see why he needed to be kicked and stamped on.

While the one with the blue top was being kicked, the one with the grey top was sitting on a chair with his hands behind his head and didn't look very threatening at this stage either. One of the officers pulled him off the chair and forced him to the ground. Another man was pepper-sprayed.

I'm not denying that the men deserved to be arrested for what they did. However, I'm disappointed that the police didn't deal with the incident more effectively.

Callistemon213

Looking at that, the police would have been justified in using firearms as a matter of public safety.
Airports are crowded places and this could have escalated into a very nasty situation, particularly if those men had been able to take the firearms off the police.

I'm sorry, but I don't think they would have been justified in using firearms. At the point when they were first approached by the police (presumably as a result of an earlier altercation involving their mother) the men weren't acting suspiciously.

growstuff

Nevertheless, they really didn't look that threatening before they were approached by the police. The man with the blue top was on the ground and had been tasered, so I don't see why he needed to be kicked and stamped on.

You’re obviously viewing a different video to me. The pair of them went berserk when approached by police. He floored two of three, his brother was battering another officer in the corner and then the thug in blue went to join in with that attack too. He was tasered by the officer he had been punching like a madman. He basically tapped him with his foot as he was lifting his head up afterwards. No wonder they were desperate to get cuffs on them.

As Calli says they were lucky firearms weren’t used. They shouldn’t even be at liberty. They need to be behind bars. They’re dangerous.

This is the problem.

"At the point when they were first approached by the police (presumably as a result of an earlier altercation involving their mother) the men weren't acting suspiciously."

We still don't know the "before" the situation escalated to this extent - how did it, why did it. What was it incensed the young man so much? What happened in the plane and after the woman had got off and talked to family? Where did the fighting start?

Of course the young man will be prosecuted and he has been arrested with 3 others, but I remain believing that an MP should not attempt to justify a police action before the whole story has been revealed. Nor that it's OK for the police to kick someone.

If you view the video on U tube directly, and look at the comments, it's a string of horrific racist memes as a result of seeing only that particular action, just as the OTT demonstrations have been a reaction to the kicking sector only.

A further video shows a young man wrestled to the floor who was an onlooker had not attacked the police

www.youtube.com/shorts/Qxgd5bauisA

which only goes to show that until the authorities have reviewed all the CCTV, webcams, witness statements and so on we can trace the events.

Please check what I wrote, which was that they didn't look threatening before they were approached by police. No, that office didn't just tap him with his foot. He behaved inappropriately and I'm sure that isn't how he was trained to respond.

The one in grey, who was the first to attack the officers, was sitting on a chair with his hands behind his head - he wasn't threatening anybody at that stage.

Hopefully, all the clips will be viewed in detail and justice can be done.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

I agree with you absolutely Wyllow.