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Riots in Southport

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Jaxjacky Tue 30-Jul-24 21:56:23

I’m fuming about this, allegedly the English Defence League, attacking a local mosque, police attacked and vehicle set on fire. The police have reiterated ‘ the person under arrest was born in the UK’ and to ignore misinformation on social media.
Those poor residents grieving and in shock without the EDL basically stirring.

M0nica Wed 31-Jul-24 08:38:19

What the people do not seem to realise isthat Rwanda is a CHRISTIAN country. Over 90% of the population are christians of one flavour or another and only 2% are Muslim.

I understand that the attackers family came to Britian fleeing the Rwandan massacres, so they are unlikely to be Muslims.

It just shows how mindless and stupid these anti-Islamic protestors are. But there was deliberate misinformation being circulated on the internet saying the attacker was an arab boat immigrant, despite police saying from the start that the assailant was from Rwanda.

Callistemon213 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:33:15

growstuff

Callistemon213

Tommy R led pro-Brexit protests but has now fled to Spain.
Oh, the irony.

With his Irish passport.

Even more so.

His followers can't be as wily and cunning as him.

growstuff Wed 31-Jul-24 08:32:05

Urmstongran What does any of your post have to do with the murders in Southport? It's pure speculation.

growstuff Wed 31-Jul-24 08:30:07

Callistemon213

Tommy R led pro-Brexit protests but has now fled to Spain.
Oh, the irony.

With his Irish passport.

Callistemon213 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:29:29

Tommy R led pro-Brexit protests but has now fled to Spain.
Oh, the irony.

Urmstongran Wed 31-Jul-24 08:27:11

Message deleted by Gransnet. Quotes deleted post.

Iam64 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:25:32

Reading all this thread just now has been very reassuring. So many sensible, grounded comments and support for the police and emergency services

The EDL are thugs. A poster early on this thread described them as thick as mince. They shout things like English till I die as they hurl wheelie bins, tear down garden walls so they can throw bricks at police officers and dogs. Disgusting people - I wonder about their IQ level

Cadeby Wed 31-Jul-24 08:22:34

Callistemon213

Cadeby

Casdon

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

Because it makes them feel good, superior and is a channel for their anger.

Do you remember years ago a Paediatrician was beaten up as the perpetrators confused Paediatrician with paedophile?

That story took on a life of its own too.
The truth was, according to this BBC website, somewhat different.
www.google.com/search?q=bbc+hi+magazine&oq=bbc+hi+magazine&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg8MgYIAhBFGDzSAQg0ODYxajBqOKgCC7ACAQ&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

If the anecdote is wrong, I apologise.

nanna8 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:21:07

Have to say I have never heard of the EDL. Don’t think I want to know about whatever it is,either, by the sounds of it. Is it peculiar to the UK ?

Callistemon213 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:20:37

😁
Right on target!

growstuff Wed 31-Jul-24 08:18:47

Well, one of the thugs got what was coming to him:

x.com/i/status/1818403874513838295

Sorry, I shouldn't laugh, but ...

Callistemon213 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:17:06

growstuff

Callistemon213

growstuff

The more I think about this incident, the more I think it doesn't have much to do with the identity of the murderer. The EDL attacked a mosque because they knew the police would turn up and they then had an opportunity to attack the police - all directed by Tommy Robinson from Spain.

Why is he in Spain and not in prison?
He's an anarchist and incites riots.

Because he skipped bail. He was due in court on Monday/Tuesday (not sure which) and decided not to turn up. It doesn't say much about the communications between the police and passport control.

I missed that, thanks.

AGAA4 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:16:34

What lowlifes the EDL are to disrupt a community united in grief. These people are just thugs. 39 police injured which means less police on the streets today.
Hate crimes should be dealt with severely.

growstuff Wed 31-Jul-24 08:16:09

He lives in Spain, which he is able to do because he has an Irish passport.

Macadia Wed 31-Jul-24 08:16:09

Summerlove ignore my post. Obviously, I'm not thinking rationally.

Callistemon213 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:15:22

Cadeby

Casdon

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

Because it makes them feel good, superior and is a channel for their anger.

Do you remember years ago a Paediatrician was beaten up as the perpetrators confused Paediatrician with paedophile?

That story took on a life of its own too.
The truth was, according to this BBC website, somewhat different.
www.google.com/search?q=bbc+hi+magazine&oq=bbc+hi+magazine&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUyBggAEEUYOTIGCAEQRRg8MgYIAhBFGDzSAQg0ODYxajBqOKgCC7ACAQ&client=tablet-android-samsung-nf-rev1&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

GrannyGravy13 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:13:58

Disgusting behaviour by thugs last night in Southport.

Our Emergency Services one day dealing with a horrific attack on children the next being under attack by Neanderthals!

I hope that whoever released the photo of the suspected child killer on social media at the point of his arrest will be cautioned/charged as some of the blame is surely their’s.

nanna8 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:11:28

I was not talking about naming the kid, for goodness sake. No civilised country would do that. Just background info so they don’t make stuff up to suit their disgusting agendas!

growstuff Wed 31-Jul-24 08:11:19

Callistemon213

growstuff

The more I think about this incident, the more I think it doesn't have much to do with the identity of the murderer. The EDL attacked a mosque because they knew the police would turn up and they then had an opportunity to attack the police - all directed by Tommy Robinson from Spain.

Why is he in Spain and not in prison?
He's an anarchist and incites riots.

Because he skipped bail. He was due in court on Monday/Tuesday (not sure which) and decided not to turn up. It doesn't say much about the communications between the police and passport control.

Callistemon213 Wed 31-Jul-24 08:09:42

Casdon

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

You are right, I think.
The speculative thread on here got deleted but much on social media does not.

Cadeby Wed 31-Jul-24 08:07:13

Casdon

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

Because it makes them feel good, superior and is a channel for their anger.

Do you remember years ago a Paediatrician was beaten up as the perpetrators confused Paediatrician with paedophile?

Macadia Wed 31-Jul-24 08:04:07

Growstuff thank you for pointing out the foolishness in my post. Perhaps in my anger I was wishing for a different decade when these tragedies were uncommon. Foreign or not, mental illness will affect anyone. My post was hasty and ignorant. Thank you for helping me see this.

Casdon Wed 31-Jul-24 08:00:28

I wish you were right Callistemon213, but I don’t these days. The influence of social media is so pervasive that even on Gransnet almost every day we see posts which aren’t based on fact about issues. It seems to be at its worst where there is a tragedy, people believe other peoples lies all the time, and pass them on.

Callistemon213 Wed 31-Jul-24 07:57:59

growstuff

The more I think about this incident, the more I think it doesn't have much to do with the identity of the murderer. The EDL attacked a mosque because they knew the police would turn up and they then had an opportunity to attack the police - all directed by Tommy Robinson from Spain.

Why is he in Spain and not in prison?
He's an anarchist and incites riots.

Callistemon213 Wed 31-Jul-24 07:55:49

growstuff

Callistemon213

growstuff

Why does the public need to know?

Because that might prevent these rumours and therefore these indiscriminate riots, aimed at the wrong targets.

16 is seemingly being considered as old enough to vote.

Old enough to carry out seemingly premeditated murders of small children, old enough to be named.

Maybe people should have learnt by now not to listen to unsubstantiated rumours. Maybe the law about disclosing identities of minors should be changed, but in this case the law is being followed. I really don't see that it's in the public interest to know.

Maybe people should have learnt by now not to listen to unsubstantiated rumours

Most people don't growstuff
But thugs such as EDL only need the slightest excuse. Why should we give them any by protecting this murderer who was caught in the act?