The right to peaceful protest in the UK

So police go in hard on white rioters but leave the peaceful Palestinian protesters alone.
Do you expect the police to cause trouble at a peaceful protest?
All the situations that have been mentioned above had to be dealt with differently to avoid injury and loss of life.
I don't believe in making excuses for those people who riot by saying they have been driven to it by feeling they are left behind.

I don’t want the police to go in softly to any rioters. I’m not interested in the colour or ethnic origin of the people who are causing conflict, I simply want the police to enforce the law wherever it is necessary.

"Two tier policing" is not a fact, its a meme to justify the rioting/attacks on Mosques that we have seen this week

but its also propaganda to in advance justify a further 20 to 50 (depending on which SM platform you consult) similar riots being planned, where the situation is people arriving in a place totally unrelated to their own lives to riot, from all over the country, to join in.
Whatever the skin colour, this is conspiracy - clearly stated intentions to attack Mosques and migrant centres.

Policing if riots occur, unplanned, in local communities is far more complex and unpredictable.

Yes of course those who riot should be arrested, whatever the skin colour, but it's a case by case situation. The overall need is to keep the peace within a community as well as arresting those who are violent.

Those who support the right in politics have no more in common with the rioters than those on the left, and no one should be afraid to criticise these people.

We must unit to resist this threat to our society, just as our parents did.

I give up 🤦‍♀️

It’s not what I think and want.

It’s what those that are disenfranchised see and hear on screens and from their mates.

I am trying to discuss how they can be reached out to (another phrase I dislike)

If things are left as they are the UK is storing up trouble which can and in all probability erupt on our streets.

I know situations need different solutions and policing but there are 1,000’s who cannot and do not.

I don’t believe in making excuses for those people who riot by saying they have been driven to it by feeling they have been left behind.

Neither do I. The police should been seen to operate the law to everyone, without fear or favour. Unfortunately I’m forced to believe that this has not been happening. The JSO protests have clearly shown that, soft policing. Thankfully they finally arrested a few and they’ve gone to prison which proves it was the right decision, but many others were not arrested. But the trouble that group caused was enormous, as was discussed on another thread. It is illegal to block a highway, but the police stopped the traffic on the motorway to make it safe for the protesters to block the highway, an illegal act. I’m pleased that the police have gone in fully with these recent riots, but they don’t always do that.

GrannyGravy13

I give up 🤦‍♀️

It’s not what I think and want.

It’s what those that are disenfranchised see and hear on screens and from their mates.

I am trying to discuss how they can be reached out to (another phrase I dislike)

If things are left as they are the UK is storing up trouble which can and in all probability erupt on our streets.

I know situations need different solutions and policing but there are 1,000’s who cannot and do not.

I was speaking to a very elderly lady this morning who said that conscription would be a good idea for some of these young people who think that rioting is all they can do.
I don't agree with it myself but can see her point that some could actually have a career from joining up instead of feeling hopeless.
I wonder why some think rioting is the way for them and others in a similar situation use their surplus energy more productively in sports for instance.

I think the overall picture is far bigger than one elderly lady who may or may not have deserved to have been arrested. We can all look at individual cases which could be argued either way.

The only person arrested on the evening of the Leeds riots was a white female while so many people were left to run riot. The optics of that alone is something the Police should have avoided. Having seen the video of her complaining about the rioting I think they could have dealt with it in a different way other than arresting her.

Manchester Airport - the Officer has been suspended while as far as I know, and please correct me if I’m wrong, the perpetrators of the attacks on the Police which broke the female Officers nose, have still not been arrested. Why? It’s not as if there isn’t enough evidence. They were originally taken to Rochdale Police Station but subsequently released following an angry mob of Muslims turning up at the station demanding their release before holy hell was unleashed. Lo and behold, they were released. I didn’t hear too much in the media outlets about that, and I certainly didn’t hear Keir Starmer calling them thugs. Again - why? Mob rule clearly gets someone released and that is completely ignored? The other odd thing about that is that as soon as the footage was released of the Officer, he was immediately labelled as racist. When the footage came out of the perpetrators punching the Police, I didn’t hear anyone calling them racist. Neither case may be true, but the same logic automatically applied to one, like it or not, applies to both.

I’m sure you can always pick out individual circumstances which are just plain wrong, but there are far too many instances of things like this happening in today’s society. It gives the impression the minority should be treated differently; we shouldn’t offend any minority in case it stirs up tension. Just because they may be a minority doesn’t mean they are always right. It’s quite simple, treat everyone the same. That clearly is not happening within the Police and other authorities including Government (Labour and Tory). If Keir Starmer and Yvette Cooper thinks its just a few far right thugs who are fed up of this situation they are very sadly mistaken, I for one am also fed up of it (and no, sorry to disappoint anyone, I’m not far right).

Policing protests will always require officers to take decisions as the event unfolds and especially if some protesters become violent or commit criminal damage but when officers are vastly outnumbered intervention may not be practicable. Comparing what happens at one demo with another is like comparing apples and pears but agitators will seek to complain about differences. They should be ignored.

AGAA4 I wonder if it is levels of self esteem?

If you feel you are a nobody without a voice, without any dreams or aspirations, doom scrolling through social media and coming across a group of similar souls.

Do they think they have found their tribe ?

We have instances of grooming, suicide tutorials, porn all available on phones etc.,

Are the likes of Yaxley-Lennon grooming (can’t think of another word) the younger lost generation

Are the older ones seen at these riots, just angry at the world for whatever reason.

Is education or the lack of it at the root?

Do they come from troubled families?

Are they financially insecure?

I do not have the answers, but surely as a society we need to find them pretty quickly or the next generation of disenfranchised will just follow suit.

JN450

Please try to avoid misinformation.

Leeds

West Yorkshire Police said a number of people had been held, though it did not specify how many, and said further arrests would be made in the coming days.

Manchester

Four men were later arrested on suspicion of assault and affray. they were released on bail, which is normal procedure.

I would like to reiterate that I am not condoning violence, rioting or any other form of civil disobedience.

I am just trying to make sense of why people participate in the above and does it relate to the optics of how they perceive the police police various marches and demonstrations.

Why do they participate?

Fed false news

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y0453nv5o

As for optics

*The "optics" for the people of Southport, holding their peaceful vigil for the children and families, invaded by a riotous mob attacking a mosque and peoples gardens and making them confused, frightened and I daresay very angry....?

Then people on a riot in London saying they are "doing it for the children*

GG13 I think all the reasons you listed could be the cause of young people hating the a society that they feel has given them nothing.
None of us can condone rioting and I would never excuse it but there are so many who feel that violence and destruction is the only way of "getting back"at society.
I do fear that rioting will become more common in future.

I agree GG , there are a whole gamut of social issues that come into play and a shed load of toxic influences via social media, if there isn't a lot of hope about one's future, it's not hard to see the susceptiblity there. In an age where some educators would seek to imbue a blanket "we must acknowledge our white privilege" on an entire demographic, regardless of whatever deprivations they are experiencing, maybe we shouldn't be surprised when the lid is lifted on that Pandora's Box.

JN450 some salient points.

This is what the obscene rioters should take heed of:

“The mother of Elsie took to social media on Tuesday evening to ask people to "stop the violence" in Southport.

She said: "This is the only thing that I will write, but please please stop the violence in Southport tonight.

"The police have been nothing but heroic in these last 24 hours and they and we don't need this."

Starmer should have said to us `i hear you` but no he is actually fanning the flames.

AGAA4 and TerriBull

I agree with both your posts.

LizzieDrip

This is what the obscene rioters should take heed of:

“The mother of Elsie took to social media on Tuesday evening to ask people to "stop the violence" in Southport.

She said: "This is the only thing that I will write, but please please stop the violence in Southport tonight.

"The police have been nothing but heroic in these last 24 hours and they and we don't need this."

LizzieDrip

It is wrong on every level that the rioters have hi-jacked Southport’s grief. No one is disputing that.

I am trying to fathom what can be done to harness, redirect and disperse all the anger the disenfranchised of our society have.

There is one video I’ve seen of police wading in to man at the Downing St protest and absolutely beating the c**p out of him. He was just standing there. He didn’t resist.

Where’s the outrage?

tickingbird

There is one video I’ve seen of police wading in to man at the Downing St protest and absolutely beating the c**p out of him. He was just standing there. He didn’t resist.

Where’s the outrage?

I have seen that clip.

I have also heard the audio when one police officer says to the other pick one, anyone just before hand.

I do not think I am making myself very clear.

The disenfranchised see on TV how protests are policed differently.

They do not think of or possibly even know why this happens, they just see what they want to see. They are then manipulated to jog on and protest (riot) for a manufactured cause.

This should be acknowledged and addressed, not to do so will lead to more riots and needless violence.

You are making yourself clear GG. It's just no one can hear. I dont think that's to do with your delivery.

Grantanow

Policing protests will always require officers to take decisions as the event unfolds and especially if some protesters become violent or commit criminal damage but when officers are vastly outnumbered intervention may not be practicable. Comparing what happens at one demo with another is like comparing apples and pears but agitators will seek to complain about differences. They should be ignored.

Who are you to say they should be ignored? This attitude is part of the problem. Were the mob that gathered outside a police station demanding the release of two thugs ignored? No they weren’t. Until they formed an organised mob the male officer had merely been removed from front line duties. After their, entitled bully boy tactics he was suspended and under criminal investigation.

Officers in London beating someone up for no reason other than he’s attending a protest aren’t investigated. If the community of that man surrounded a police station demanding justice they’d probably get the full treatment.

It’s disgraceful two tier policing and, apart from thugs rioting, it’s no wonder people are sick of it.

I understand what you’re saying GG, and I agree with you. However, I don’t know the answers, I wish I did.

Thank you for your post JN450, you raised the question of what happened to the men who were attacking the police in Manchester Airport. You were not the only one who didn’t know, Mr M and I were wondering exactly the same thing only this morning. So also thank you Whitewave for filling us in on the outcome.