The right to peaceful protest in the UK

It will be on social media platforms too which is often convoluted. I think that is a concern.

youtu.be/hsQDGhVS-tA?si=MTwHcvqqCpt1GTz_

Who are the real thugs, makes you wonder. Definitely 2 tier policing here.

Read the comments.

JN450

Sorry I hadn’t seen your post. You nailed it.

Wyllow3

Why do they participate?

Fed false news

www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y0453nv5o

As for optics

*The "optics" for the people of Southport, holding their peaceful vigil for the children and families, invaded by a riotous mob attacking a mosque and peoples gardens and making them confused, frightened and I daresay very angry....?

Then people on a riot in London saying they are "doing it for the children*

The point I am trying to make has nothing whatsoever to do with any of the thuggery on show in the recent riots. It has to do with the way the Police have been, I would say, forced into Policing in a certain way. Can you imagine if during a riot of far right thugs a single non white person was the only one arrested? I think the shouts of racism would be deafening. Yes, I know several people were later arrested but not on the night itself, the rioters were basically left to it.

Rotherham was allowed to happen in part because the Police and Social Services were too scared to intervene in case they were accused of racism. That cannot be right. As per usual, because they have been constantly accused of something (sometimes possibly justified), they have swung the pendulum too far the other way.

WW3 states the EDL were subsequently banned. I don’t know for sure if they were but I have heard many commentators stating it’s a defunct organisation. I accept their members will still be active though.

Reading the governments list of proscribed organisations is rather illuminating though.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/proscribed-terror-groups-or-organisations--2/proscribed-terrorist-groups-or-organisations-accessible-version

I welcome the contributions from the publicity machines of various anti-social movements on this thread. I guess it all adds to the info base.

Yes I was wrong I think. What happened was that the government kept banning the EDL from marching, as far as I can see and in the end they (the EDL membership) gave up.

That is why they are not marching /rioting under the EDL banner.

They are now being considered for classification as a terrorist organisation.

Not sure that will happen.

What we are seeing is mob violence, not particularly politically motivated but simply a rallying point for the type of thug who used to fight at football matches, now stringently policed, so seeking other venues. I do not like this attempt to classify these thugs as far-right or far- left; they are simply The Mob, in existence through the centuries and hell-bent on creating mayhem.

maddyone

I was very cross about the BLM riots too GG. The police allowed all Covid rules to be broken whilst simultaneously charging two women who went for a socially distanced walk and stopped to drink coffee - in the middle of absolutely nowhere. Those women had to pay fines for sitting either end of a bench to drink their coffee, meanwhile during the BLM riots………

Absolutely right💯

eazybee

What we are seeing is mob violence, not particularly politically motivated but simply a rallying point for the type of thug who used to fight at football matches, now stringently policed, so seeking other venues. I do not like this attempt to classify these thugs as far-right or far- left; they are simply The Mob, in existence through the centuries and hell-bent on creating mayhem.

The riots were organised by the far right eazybee. The evidence is there to prove that. Some of the thugs who turned up were directly linked to the far right organisations, some were thugs with no political affiliation who saw the posts inciting the riots further down the chain as shared posts on social media.

There are lots of other organisations though like Britain first
Sounds like banning protests might have been counter productive in respect to intelligence services

I'v read the list of proscribed organisations tickingbird. They are all based abroad and their stated aims are not described as relating to the UK except for two home grown ones:

National Action - Proscribed December 2016
The Terrorgram collective - Proscribed April 2024

Plus groups related to Irish related terrorism.

Northern Ireland

Casdon

eazybee

What we are seeing is mob violence, not particularly politically motivated but simply a rallying point for the type of thug who used to fight at football matches, now stringently policed, so seeking other venues. I do not like this attempt to classify these thugs as far-right or far- left; they are simply The Mob, in existence through the centuries and hell-bent on creating mayhem.

The riots were organised by the far right eazybee. The evidence is there to prove that. Some of the thugs who turned up were directly linked to the far right organisations, some were thugs with no political affiliation who saw the posts inciting the riots further down the chain as shared posts on social media.

The BBC verify article describes how the riots were organised through right wing networks as alluded to above.
To give you it again, and a quote.
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cl4y0453nv5o

"So how did the protests - starting in Southport and spreading to London, Hartlepool, Manchester and Aldershot - begin?
Merseyside Police have publicly identified the English Defence League (EDL) as a key factor.

While there are people who describe themselves as EDL supporters, the organisation ceased to exist in any formal sense after its founder, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon - who uses the alias Tommy Robinson - focused on spreading his message on social media platforms, where he has a sizeable following.

But its core ideas - in particular an opposition to illegal immigration, mixed with hate predominantly aimed at Muslims - are very much alive, and loudly and widely spread among sympathisers online.

Thrown into this mix are tropes from conspiracy theories that “elites” are somehow covering up the truth - including the abuse of British children.

An influencer on X associated with Yaxley-Lennon, who posts under the name of “Lord Simon”, was among the first to publicly call for nationwide protests.

His account promoted false claims that the alleged Southport attacker had been an asylum seeker, recently arrived in the UK by boat. His video has been viewed over a million times.

We have to hit the streets. We have to make a huge impact all around the country. Every city needs to go up everywhere,” he said.

So the riots in Leeds were simply a spontaneous peaceful protest.
This use of the label' far-right' was in evidence way before the election, a tactic employed by Labour against anyone supporting conservative policies.
I said before, this is thuggery looking for an excuse for a fight.

eazybee

So the riots in Leeds were simply a spontaneous peaceful protest.
This use of the label' far-right' was in evidence way before the election, a tactic employed by Labour against anyone supporting conservative policies.
I said before, this is thuggery looking for an excuse for a fight.

No they were riots, by a community of Roma.

But Roma are not a group that is recognised as the far right and a threat by the security forces.

The Southport, London etc group of rioters are described by the security and intelligence forces as far right.

So that is the appropriate description.

A far right group of politically motivated thugs and their puppet masters.

Have your read the analysis of what exactly happened in Leeds*eazybee*?
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/leeds-riots-cause-harehills-violence-roma-community-news-b2583202.html?page=4

growstuff

I welcome the contributions from the publicity machines of various anti-social movements on this thread. I guess it all adds to the info base.

I’ve been thinking the same.

Same Doodledog

LizzieDrip

Same Doodledog

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Whitewavemark2

eazybee

So the riots in Leeds were simply a spontaneous peaceful protest.
This use of the label' far-right' was in evidence way before the election, a tactic employed by Labour against anyone supporting conservative policies.
I said before, this is thuggery looking for an excuse for a fight.

No they were riots, by a community of Roma.

But Roma are not a group that is recognised as the far right and a threat by the security forces.

The Southport, London etc group of rioters are described by the security and intelligence forces as far right.

So that is the appropriate description.

A far right group of politically motivated thugs and their puppet masters.

The other factor in Leeds that has been far too easily forgotten was the involvement of the local Councillor Mothin Ali and a youth worker in the evening who formed a human shield to stop violence escalating in Leeds riots. Imo opinion better people like him than water cannons directed at all there!

Doodledog

growstuff

I welcome the contributions from the publicity machines of various anti-social movements on this thread. I guess it all adds to the info base.

I’ve been thinking the same.

I haven’t.
In fact I think it’s an inflammatory statement to make on a thread.
Either name the posters that you think are from ‘the publicity
Machines of various anti social movements on this thread’ or ask the mods to remove it.
Just cos you don’t agree with a different viewpoint doesn’t mean you can say this about GN posters.
There’s been quite a few commenting lately about how things have changed on the site and disliking the ‘unpleasantness’ well I for one think this remark growstuff is uber unpleasant.

As to policing of riots or near riots, I think the perpetrators should be treated the same if they’re committing offences , don’t know what Keir Starmer has said to the police about this matter but we should all be treated equally under the laws of the land.

Agree with both your posts Oreo