Paul Embery comments on Keir Starmer

Galaxy

He is not predictable, he is not tribal, which I like a lot. He talks a lot about class and poverty which I also like.

This, exactly.

Doodledog

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Doodledog

It's hard to comment without knowing the context and what he actually said.

It was on GBNews.

Well maybe, but if we are to comment on this thread we need to have something to work with - we don't all watch GB News.

we don’t all watch GBNews
Your comment illustrates the very reason I didn’t put a link up.
I didn’t want anyone to have a touch of the vapours.

I just said not everyone watches it. Did you think they did?

Who's having a fit of the vapours? I can't comment on something I haven't seen, and nor can anyone else unless they make it all up.

Casdon

I think you’ll find Labour supporters will be much less surprised.

Indeed, no surprises. Echo chamber.

I find Keir Starmer a refreshing change . So far he exhudes gravitas and intelligent firmness. What a change from Johnson when he dealt with the police and riots.

Don’t like the man but what was the alternative ? Hope he does a good job and rules wisely.

Oreo

It’s true tho that this isn’t like the mood there was around the Tony Blair government when they got it into number ten.

Times have changed though in the last 27 years since Tony Blair won.

Starmer is not the sort of character that courts popularity - something that is difficult to understand by people who are used to the cult of personality we saw in the likes of Johnson.

Starmer is a serious politician for serious times.

He has an incredibly difficult task ahead of him both domestically and internationally, but I welcome an individual who places service above personal advantage, and the country above everything else.

As far as Embery is concerned he will be one amongst others who comments on the government. Nothing new there. Embery is culturally very conservative, GBNews are Embery are natural bedfellows.

Starmer will survive Mr Embery😄😄

I agree with your first paragraph WWM. I can’t comment on Embery - the vapours are getting in the way - as I don’t know who he is or what he said.

We don’t need a populist leader. Frankly, that’s the very last thing we need. I hope for some stability after years of divisive politics. If we don’t get it I fear for all of us.

Whitewavemark2

All the high ranking ex-police officers I have listened to these past couple of days, including one just on Sky, can’t speak highly enough of Starmer.

He clearly has the confidence of the police, and he clearly is giving the police his full support.

This is the situation as it should be at times like this.

Maybe it’s because 99% of the city mayors are Labour? Birds of a feather and all that.

Actually I don’t care really - whatever works is fine by me.

Paul Embrey understands more about poverty and class than most commentators, so it's interesting that makes him a bedfellow of gbnews, I think that statement says more about the current make up of the labour party voters and their concerns than anything I have ever seen.

You’ll find Labour members and supporters aren’t in the least surprised that Embery isn’t impressed by Starmer. The left in the party would have preferred someone like Rebecca Long Bailey, who was Corbyn’s chosen one.
Starmer is too centre left for them, in fact often accused of being a Tory in disguise. It’s long been clear that once the election was won, attempts would be made to replace Starmer with a more left leaning leader.
They forget, Starmer was elected by the country, not just Labour activists/members
I second Whitewave’s post about Starmer and police chiefs. He’s facing challenges with the riots that reflect discontent that’s been building for years. I hope he can find a way forward that deals with the discontent and also punishes these thugs. They claim to be English till they die and show their patriotism by attacking buildings, police officers, dogs, horses -drinker thugs who enjoy rioting,

Galaxy

Paul Embrey understands more about poverty and class than most commentators, so it's interesting that makes him a bedfellow of gbnews, I think that statement says more about the current make up of the labour party voters and their concerns than anything I have ever seen.

I don’t think one statement really says anything, it’s a view?

I’ve been thinking about the attacks on the Police. At first I just couldn’t understand why. Now I’m wondering, is it because feelings are running high because of perceived ‘two tier policing’? And yes, annoyance at seeing London festooned with Palestinian flags and MP’s in the north spouting ‘this is for Gaza’ etc.

I don’t think us surprising that Paul Embrey has said this about Starmer, many on left feel let down by the centre right position Labour have taken, in all honesty politics has dialled so far to the right that right now Labour are about in the same position politically as Major’s government.
But tbh if they had moved further left Labour would never have won a landslide victory. I mean we all saw what happened to Corbyn.
It is much more about the direction voters have been going in for some time than the direction Labour chose to take.
Brexit is very much to blame but as a nation we lean much more towards conservatism.
As someone on the left of the political spectrum this is very disheartening but at least the Tories are out and I do wish Starmer well.

I think its indicative of the middle class sensibility of much of the labour party, I vote labour and am also middle class so perhaps I am making it worse too! It was what the likes of Embry warned against again and again in the Corbyn years.

Casdon

Galaxy

Paul Embrey understands more about poverty and class than most commentators, so it's interesting that makes him a bedfellow of gbnews, I think that statement says more about the current make up of the labour party voters and their concerns than anything I have ever seen.

I don’t think one statement really says anything, it’s a view?

I disagree. Having watched Embery for well over a year and knowing he is a Trade Unionist and Labour member I have been interested in what he has to say.

He is very direct (which I like) and always speaks his mind. I do like that whoever else is on the panel he is always polite and listens to their opinions because some don’t.

Whatever is being discussed, he has strong views and when they are discussing non political topics I agree with him a lot. But get on to a political issue and he always defends Labour to the hilt.

I just looked up Paul Embery. I recognise him from GBNews. Yes he was a firefighter, unionist and political activist. I don’t always agree with his viewpoint but yes, he is polite, listens and takes his turn on interview panels.

Doodledog

I agree with your first paragraph WWM. I can’t comment on Embery - the vapours are getting in the way - as I don’t know who he is or what he said.

We don’t need a populist leader. Frankly, that’s the very last thing we need. I hope for some stability after years of divisive politics. If we don’t get it I fear for all of us.

Whoah! I think you are way off the mark there Doodle. If Embery ALREADY feels there is no goodwill in the party towards Starmer then others will be feeling it too. I think a populist leader is exactly what you need.

At this very early stage people should be trusting him to do a great job and admiring him as a leader. The public will demand it for sure after all he promised.

Whitewavemark2

All the high ranking ex-police officers I have listened to these past couple of days, including one just on Sky, can’t speak highly enough of Starmer.

He clearly has the confidence of the police, and he clearly is giving the police his full support.

This is the situation as it should be at times like this.

I bet they do, as we are now seeing a lot of two tier policing

Do you mean that 'we' need a populist leader, or am I being singled out? .

Also, do you mean popular or populist? There is a huge difference.

I agree that the country needs a leader that does the things the people want - not necessarily in the way they want them done, but that the leader steers the country in the direction that was voted for. I don't see how this Embery chap can say whether that is happening or not at this stage though. I think that there are a lot of slogans (populist tactics) being planted (eg 'two tier policing') to sow the seeds of discontent.

@Primrose53

A populist leader only leads on issues made popular by nefarious means, in a nutshell ‘fake news peddlers’. Trump is the best example, Boris is another. They live on lies and misinformation. So we really don’t need a leader like this.
Starmer may not be as popular as either but he isn’t a populist, thank God.
Enough of clowns, entertainers, and snake oil salesmen. Real politics may be more boring but is long overdue.

Hes been saying it for years, or a theme of it, whilst that particular tweet/article is about Starmer he would have said a similar version about Corbyn. What's happening now is what he and some others have been warning about for years. Disconnect between the political parties and a large section of the population.

Urmstongran

Whitewavemark2

All the high ranking ex-police officers I have listened to these past couple of days, including one just on Sky, can’t speak highly enough of Starmer.

He clearly has the confidence of the police, and he clearly is giving the police his full support.

This is the situation as it should be at times like this.

Maybe it’s because 99% of the city mayors are Labour? Birds of a feather and all that.

Actually I don’t care really - whatever works is fine by me.

urms you’ve mis-read it😄😄

I was talking about high ranking (chief Constable, head of anti-terrorist ) not mayors

Galaxy

Hes been saying it for years, or a theme of it, whilst that particular tweet/article is about Starmer he would have said a similar version about Corbyn. What's happening now is what he and some others have been warning about for years. Disconnect between the political parties and a large section of the population.

The same old populist theme though isn’t it?