False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

fancythat

^He can call himself what he likes but if he isn’t religious and not a practising Muslim then he isn’t actually Muslim^

A good point.

It's a cultural and historical identity as well as whether a Mosque attender, or secular.

People attacking Muslims don't stop to ask, "are you secular' before attacking or bullying.

Grandmabatty

Of course you would disagree Oreo. And yes, I see casual racism every day on threads here. It almost made me leave the site.
None so blind as those that will not see

I’m afraid I agree, lots of throwaway comments and veiled hints on here almost everyday that I would consider racist.

Oreo

growstuff
If you had no concerns around using the tube or London transport around the time of the Islamist extremist bombings then you weren’t there.Everybody was extremely nervous I can tell you.

Are you suggesting she’s lying?

I travelled to work every single day in the 80’s, in the height of the IRA bombings. It was a bit scary, but life goes on.

I simply don’t believe everyone travelling was extremely nervous. You cannot speak for others, just yourself.

Cossy

Oreo

growstuff
If you had no concerns around using the tube or London transport around the time of the Islamist extremist bombings then you weren’t there.Everybody was extremely nervous I can tell you.

Are you suggesting she’s lying?

I travelled to work every single day in the 80’s, in the height of the IRA bombings. It was a bit scary, but life goes on.

I simply don’t believe everyone travelling was extremely nervous. You cannot speak for others, just yourself.

It would appear that's the suggestion.. Sigh!

I also agree - and have said before - that there are racist posts on here. Some, I think, when I feel charitable, stem from a lack of awareness (around appropriate language, about how people of colour experience racism and so on) but some are so blatant, the writers must know how what they are saying.

I’ve only looked at three threads today, and could already signpost to one of the latter.

It isn’t new. I’ve had previous usernames and deleted the accounts over, for example, the unedifying spectacle of white people telling people of colour they have no right to say they find words or phrases racist.

I never report posts (as I’ve also said before) and I no longer seriously engage with immigration/asylum threads. Increasingly, though, I feel that by doing neither of those, I am colluding in the racism and xenophobia here.

I know what I think and have eyes so can see that this forum is the least racist than any I’ve come across on SM ever.
Where are all these supposedly racist posts? If it was really the case they would be deleted pdq all the time and every day.
Most of the deleted posts I see are to do with personal attacks.
If you don’t report racist posts, genuine ones not ones that a poster just doesn’t happen to like, then that’s very poor.
Genuine racist posts should always be reported.

growstuff I always try to put my point of view over, usually made from experience, but I don’t go in for extended spats so don’t expect me to reply to your every post on this subject.

We all know what we think, but we are also all just one opinion, and none of us is always right. A lot of othering goes on on Gransnet, and there are also a lot of posts that are very close to the racism/xenophobia line - in my opinion. I’m not sure a lot of people are aware when they are on that line, but some definitely are.

Oreo

growstuff I always try to put my point of view over, usually made from experience, but I don’t go in for extended spats so don’t expect me to reply to your every post on this subject.

I don't and have no idea why you think that.

Casdon

We all know what we think, but we are also all just one opinion, and none of us is always right. A lot of othering goes on on Gransnet, and there are also a lot of posts that are very close to the racism/xenophobia line - in my opinion. I’m not sure a lot of people are aware when they are on that line, but some definitely are.

What kind of othering? Who is othered? Genuine question as I’ve been on this site for two years and never seen any.
So there aren’t any real racist posts, just ones that in your opinion are very close.What I thought otherwise the deletions would be massive and they just aren’t.
Not sure why a few posters are so keen to paint Gransnet as a racist site when it isn’t.

Cossy

Oreo

growstuff
If you had no concerns around using the tube or London transport around the time of the Islamist extremist bombings then you weren’t there.Everybody was extremely nervous I can tell you.

Are you suggesting she’s lying?

I travelled to work every single day in the 80’s, in the height of the IRA bombings. It was a bit scary, but life goes on.

I simply don’t believe everyone travelling was extremely nervous. You cannot speak for others, just yourself.

I live near enough to Tavistock Square to have heard the bomb explode on the bus on 7 July 2005. The next day I joined other commuters on the tube to get to work and back. I have no idea if other travellers were nervous but they didn't appear to be, and there was even a feeling of normality to be back on the tube. However awful events are, life goes on.

There is a lot of judgement on what some see as racism but isn't. Telling you what they think and like to judge and divide.

Well, for a start there have been two threads taken down by HQ recently because they are obviously concerned about the content of them.

I have no idea which threads or why Maybee70 so unless you say they were full of racist posts and that’s the reason they were pulled then I can’t answer that.I guess I could ask them why.
It could be that there were constant spats or the subject shouldn’t have been talked about.
All I can say is that in the few years on here this forum is a pussycat on all matters compared to others.

Oreo I wonder where else you go on social media?
I think Gransnet has tipped into nastyness

Too many to mention😄
‘Nastyness’ is subjective and isn’t racism.

It's well known that social media can be an echo chamber and you often don't get a sensible opposing viewpoint because of algorithms. Perhaps, Oreo, this is the reason you think other sites are worse?

Apologies, *nastiness.

Grandmabatty

It's well known that social media can be an echo chamber and you often don't get a sensible opposing viewpoint because of algorithms. Perhaps, Oreo, this is the reason you think other sites are worse?

No, I think and know other sites are worse but not for any other reason than that they actually are
Some sites are very lightly moderated like this one and some hardly moderated at all.
On this forum nobody even writes a good old Anglo Saxon word in full.
There may be the occasional racist comment on a thread tho I haven’t seen one to date.I suspect it’s more in the eye of the beholder who sees racist/ xenophobic remarks if a poster even mentions they dislike the fact that hundreds of people arrive here in a small boat weekly.
But…enough already!
Thems me views on the matter of Gransnet.😄

To return to the O/P topic and relationship to riots: today in the Guardian an interesting take on the list of where rioting was to take place last night

"Earlier Earlier Nick Lowles, a long standing expert on the British far right, and who now leads Hope Not Hate, told the Guardian that he was sceptical there would be widespread trouble on Wednesday evening.

The expectation was triggered by a list of targets found on social media. Lowles, speaking before this evening said: “I think it’s a hoax, designed to spread fear and panic.

The list has been compiled by one man in Liverpool, who simply googled immigration law firms etc. No-one is organising the local protests and there is very, very little chatter about it on the forums and WhatsApp groups that have been key over the past week

People planning for disturbances are having a difficult job negotiating social media and I suspect are very very busy atm.

Our local spotted facebook page is allowing someone to post political stuff which is anti government. Looking at her profile she's an EDL/ Katie Hopkins supporter. I've asked them to not allow political stuff to be posted on what is just meant to be a page about road closures and missing cats but the moderators are ignoring me so I can only assume they agree with her.

Possibly she is a moderator or board admin. Tough one. its not appropriate to argue back on her points as its supposed to be non political - only choice to keep posting on road closures and cats?

Several people have come out in support of me thankfully.

Now thats really good. Worth sticking around for, then. Hopefully someone will introduce a really interesting alternative topic.

Elon Musk's X/Twitter is suing a group of advertisers and major companies, accusing them of unlawfully agreeing to "boycott" the site.

It has filed a claim against the food giants Unilever and Mars, private healthcare company CVS Health, and renewable energy firm Orsted - along with a trade association called the World Federation of Advertisers (WFA) - in a Texas court.

X claims they have deprived it of "billions of dollars" in revenue.

Legal experts say the case is unlikely to succeed as any collusion or agreement between companies will be hard to prove.

The lawsuit relates to the period in 2022 just after Mr Musk bought X, then known as Twitter, when advertising revenue dived.

Some companies had been wary of advertising on the platform as concerns rose that its new owner was not serious enough about removing harmful online content.

In the year after Mr Musk bought what was formerly Twitter, advertising revenue slumped by more than half.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn47798gxx4o