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False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 03:21:40

Since January, an amendment to the Online Safety Act 2023 allows for the prosecution of those who convey information that they know to be false and “if the person intended the message, or the information in it, to cause non-trivial psychological or physical harm to a likely audience”.
Ashley Fairbrother, a senior prosecutor at the law firm Edmonds Marshall McMahon, said: “This now makes the circulation of damaging and false information online into an offence in its own right.”

A former director of public prosecutions, Lord Ken Macdonald KC, spelled out on Monday how he believed investigators would want to quickly identify individuals who are involved in “online organisation, online incitement and online conspiracies”.
“I think prosecutors will want to have a strategy to identify people who may have been involved in inciting and encouraging these events, and they will want to arrest them and build cases against them. These are, in one sense, the most important people,”

Wyllow3 Thu 08-Aug-24 18:56:51

Dangerous man. I hope more advertisers withdraw. No unelected person should hold the power he does.

varian Thu 08-Aug-24 18:58:04

BBC News - Musk shares faked far-right 'detainment camp' for rioters post
www.bbc.com/news/articles/cp35w0kj2y4o

MayBee70 Thu 08-Aug-24 19:05:26

MayBee70

Our local spotted facebook page is allowing someone to post political stuff which is anti government. Looking at her profile she's an EDL/ Katie Hopkins supporter. I've asked them to not allow political stuff to be posted on what is just meant to be a page about road closures and missing cats but the moderators are ignoring me so I can only assume they agree with her.

Posts have been removed. Lots of people supported me. Good result! Chuffed…(faith in people restored…)

Grandmabatty Thu 08-Aug-24 19:09:33

56 year-old woman has been arrested for giving inaccurate inciting information on social media

Marydoll Thu 08-Aug-24 19:20:12

Maybee good news!

varian Thu 08-Aug-24 19:34:09

Beware Americans. Elon Musk has set up a pro-Trump "political action commottee" (pac) which purports to help Americans register to vote but actually fools them into giving personal information, then leaves them thinking they are registered to vote when they are not.

fortune.com/2024/08/06/elon-musk-trump-america-pac-michigan-north-carolina-investigation/

Chocolatelovinggran Fri 09-Aug-24 07:49:28

Is Elon Musk an immigrant himself? Surely he was born in South Africa?
Perhaps he could pop back to his country of origin and do some work/ meddling/ pot stirring there instead of attempting to affect the vote in his adopted country and make inflammatory speeches about GB, with which, I believe, he has no links.

Dickens Fri 09-Aug-24 11:27:09

MayBee70

MayBee70

Our local spotted facebook page is allowing someone to post political stuff which is anti government. Looking at her profile she's an EDL/ Katie Hopkins supporter. I've asked them to not allow political stuff to be posted on what is just meant to be a page about road closures and missing cats but the moderators are ignoring me so I can only assume they agree with her.

Posts have been removed. Lots of people supported me. Good result! Chuffed…(faith in people restored…)

A few years back (prior to the Bexit vote) there was a woman on FB in an open group who posted similarly to your poster.

What she wrote was, in fact, ludicrous - the assumptions, speculation, the claims, even my then 10 year old grandson thought it was "bonkers" (he's interested in politics).

I posted a comment with facts and figures (from official websites) and told her to stop spreading false information. But not rudely or aggressively, although I admit to a tinge of sarcasm.

My post was removed by FB and I was given a warning and a 24-hour suspension. Hers remained.

I no longer use Facebook. And I've de-activated my account on X now that Musk is the Emperor.

maddyone Fri 09-Aug-24 12:05:01

Dickens (it’s a bit off the point but) my ten year old son was very interested in politics and maintained that interest throughout his life. He went into law, he’s a barrister and now KC. So you never know where your grandson’s interest will lead him. To a successful future I hope 🤞

Dickens Fri 09-Aug-24 12:19:30

maddyone

Dickens (it’s a bit off the point but) my ten year old son was very interested in politics and maintained that interest throughout his life. He went into law, he’s a barrister and now KC. So you never know where your grandson’s interest will lead him. To a successful future I hope 🤞

Dickens (it’s a bit off the point but) my ten year old son was very interested in politics and maintained that interest throughout his life. He went into law, he’s a barrister and now KC.

WOW!! That is impressive!

He must have had real perseverance - I think you have to practice law for at least 10 years before recommendation. I'm full of admiration. smile.

My then 10-year old is now grown and still interested in and studying politics and wants to become an MP eventually. Early days!

Belated congratulations to your son!

maddyone Fri 09-Aug-24 13:45:50

Well I sincerely hope your little grandson will be successful. Funnily enough, our son started out with saying he wanted to be an MP, but changed towards the law as he matured and realised that he needed to do something else first. I don’t think he’s interested any longer in becoming an MP, but lots of lawyers do become MPs, so it could possibly be a route for your grandson.

maddyone Fri 09-Aug-24 13:48:00

Thank you for congratulations Dickens.
I think I misunderstood, you say your grandson is now grown, I was thinking he was still ten.
Well good luck to him. I hope he achieves his dream. 🤞

Dickens Fri 09-Aug-24 15:47:58

... thanks!

He was 10 at the time of those FB comments.

It's interesting to hear that your son changed his mind about becoming an MP and decided on law as a career - my DIL, my grandson's mother, wants him to study law... I'm keeping well out of the debate! grin

maddyone Fri 09-Aug-24 18:01:13

Law is certainly a route into becoming an MP, or of course, working for the party of choice behind the scenes. My son worked for a year at The Law Commission which is another route, although he had studied Law at university, but it’s not necessary to do that to become a lawyer. There is a Law Conversion Course available, it’s only a year long.
Whatever he chooses, I think you’re wise to stay out of the debate. smile

Freya5 Sat 10-Aug-24 07:57:17

According to our law, passed last year, they are deemed illegal, they also break maritime Law, arriving without documents. The now deposed Bangladeshi PM has been told by the HO she cannot apply for asylum here, and should go to the nearest safe country.
No Provision For...": What UK Said On Sheikh Hasina Asylum Reports

Grandmabatty Sat 10-Aug-24 07:58:48

That law isn't fit for purpose.

Wyllow3 Sat 10-Aug-24 13:25:07

Freya5

According to our law, passed last year, they are deemed illegal, they also break maritime Law, arriving without documents. The now deposed Bangladeshi PM has been told by the HO she cannot apply for asylum here, and should go to the nearest safe country.
No Provision For...": What UK Said On Sheikh Hasina Asylum Reports

That is not strictly true.

www.channel4.com/news/factcheck/factcheck-is-it-illegal-to-cross-the-channel-on-a-small-boat#

"Under existing British law, it’s illegal to enter the country without a visa or special permission. That means someone who reaches the UK on a small boat could face up to four years in prison.

But people who make the Channel crossing are protected by international law if they claim asylum once they arrive.

That means they can’t be punished while their application is being considered – and if they’re successful, they won’t be prosecuted for the way they arrived.

So, arriving by small boat is only illegal if you don’t claim asylum – or if you make an asylum claim and it’s rejected

It appears to be unrelated to "maritime law" but related to UK law, it applies equally to people who arrive in lorries.

Dickens Sat 10-Aug-24 17:54:16

varian

Elon Musk's X/Twitter is suing a group of advertisers and major companies, accusing them of unlawfully agreeing to "boycott" the site.

It has filed a claim against the food giants Unilever and Mars, private healthcare company CVS Health, and renewable energy firm Orsted - along with a trade association called the World Federation of Advertisers (WFA) - in a Texas court.

X claims they have deprived it of "billions of dollars" in revenue.

Legal experts say the case is unlikely to succeed as any collusion or agreement between companies will be hard to prove.

The lawsuit relates to the period in 2022 just after Mr Musk bought X, then known as Twitter, when advertising revenue dived.

Some companies had been wary of advertising on the platform as concerns rose that its new owner was not serious enough about removing harmful online content.

In the year after Mr Musk bought what was formerly Twitter, advertising revenue slumped by more than half.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn47798gxx4o

Even if the case succeeds, the social media site cannot force companies to buy advertising space on the platform. (from the same BBC article).

Musk should perhaps have stuck to what he, undoubtedly, is good at - electrical engineering. And new space technology. Which garnered him millions of fans. Not to mention revenue.

He accused 'activists' of attempting to destroy free speech on Twitter/X.

Bloomberg reported that, the day after Musk took over the platform, use of the n-word increased by 1,300%.

Considering just how many black people, are involved in and with businesses and global giants such as General Motors, Audi, Mondelez, Pfizer, etc, etc... what did this genius think would happen when he allowed the Twits on Twitter to use the most insulting, insensitive and provocative language to describe them?