False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

Whitewavemark2

fancythat

I dont think I have been on the threads.
And barely read any posts about it either.

But I do think that when a"problem"[whatever it is] is seen by many to have a big impact, and the powers that be, and others, seek to continually stamp on and stamp out those opinions, then there becomes an even bigger "problem".
No matter what type of thing it is about.

Sweeping, what is seen by some as something major, continually under the carpet, [like in real life if someone has a problem], really doesnt work.
And can backfire. Big time.

As the Labour government is finding to the countries cost after 14 years of the Tories sweeping things under the carpet in the form of major economic mismanagement, small state mentality, incompetence snd corruption.

Will a Labour Government "fix" this particular case, the national unease of a significant number of people?

Oh for goodness sake why the bitchiness .?

Some of the posters on here sound like 14/15 year olds in the playground.Not a good look .

I don't believe WW2 is a Russian bot in the same vein I don't believe you are Russian painter Kandinsky

Very good article by Richard Littlejohn in the Daily Mail this morning. Labour are blaming everything on “the far right”. He thinks exactly as I do on so many issues but can express them far, far better than .i can. Worth a read if only for a more balanced point of view.

Kandinsky

Time of posting was seen as a big red flag during the Brexit debates on mumsnet - anyone posting pro brexit posts in the early hours of the morning was called a Russian Bot. I didn’t agree tbh but that’s what was happening.
But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning.

I’m a nocturnal person, often reading or listening to podcasts etc in the early hours of the morning. So I suppose that makes me odd, too. Do you have a problem with that? Should I make an effort to be normal like you?

Also reading a book called Values Voice and Virtues by Matthew Goodwin. It is a dispassionate and balanced book about how mass immigration is changing our culture. Worth a read whatever your point of view.

If you can count on anything it would be that Richard Littlejohn would have an opinion on all this.

* BevSec*
Thank you for your posts.

BevSec

Also reading a book called Values Voice and Virtues by Matthew Goodwin. It is a dispassionate and balanced book about how mass immigration is changing our culture. Worth a read whatever your point of view.

Having read his opinions, I doubt very much whether anything Matt Goodwin writes is balanced.

Kandinsky

And just saw that - crikey, who posts on GN at 3’ o’clock in the morning?

What a narrow world is yours if you aren't aware of the number of people awake when you are sleeping. Daily life covers 24 hours not set to daylight hours.
Of course it may be the need for medication, insomnia, caring duties so exercise empathy rather than criticism.
Then there are a myriad of night workers.
Or simply, like me on occasion, a very early riser.

I haven’t read on here, that anyone has called a person for the colour of their skin, or persuaded anyone to go out & riot- unless posts have been taken down before I have had chance to read them.
I have a had a few post taken down, a couple I’ve had removed because I’ve posted too soon (but looks like it’s been removed for some other reason). There is nothing wrong in having a healthy debate about what’s a fact- too much illegal migration, simply because we haven’t the infrastructure- nothing wrong in saying that whatsoever. You will find thousands of mums, dads, grandparents & younger generation have voted for Reform, if the voting system had have been different/ fairer Reform would have had more seats. It’s not a crime to vote Reform. I bet 99% of these voters are horrified by the mindset of these thugs, who certainly should be imprisoned. Reform is certainly not a far right group, in my mind more like the Tories of old- if they don’t come up to parr, then I won’t be voting for them next time round- but I definitely will never vote Labour

Mt61

I haven’t read on here, that anyone has called a person for the colour of their skin, or persuaded anyone to go out & riot- unless posts have been taken down before I have had chance to read them.
I have a had a few post taken down, a couple I’ve had removed because I’ve posted too soon (but looks like it’s been removed for some other reason). There is nothing wrong in having a healthy debate about what’s a fact- too much illegal migration, simply because we haven’t the infrastructure- nothing wrong in saying that whatsoever. You will find thousands of mums, dads, grandparents & younger generation have voted for Reform, if the voting system had have been different/ fairer Reform would have had more seats. It’s not a crime to vote Reform. I bet 99% of these voters are horrified by the mindset of these thugs, who certainly should be imprisoned. Reform is certainly not a far right group, in my mind more like the Tories of old- if they don’t come up to parr, then I won’t be voting for them next time round- but I definitely will never vote Labour

Labour ever again

What has attacking mosques and setting fire to shoe shops got to do with illegal immigration?

Growstuff, I have, as yet, only just started the book, but so far his writing has seemed very moderate, balanced and dispassionate to me. Its better really to have more of an open mind by being able to see different sides to a debate than just your own point of view. It makes for more toleration of others in my opinion.

BevSec

Growstuff, I have, as yet, only just started the book, but so far his writing has seemed very moderate, balanced and dispassionate to me. Its better really to have more of an open mind by being able to see different sides to a debate than just your own point of view. It makes for more toleration of others in my opinion.

Which is precisely why I do read what he writes and I find him unbalanced.

"But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning".
Obviously you have never been or lived with a shift worker, an insomniac, or a person with RLS

Kandinsky

1000’s of illegals arriving by small boats every year ( & have been for decades ) & absolutely nothing - repeat nothing - being done about it is a fact.
Social media is not making that up!

That’s what these riots are about.

“Illegals” Really!

JaneJudge

What has attacking mosques and setting fire to shoe shops got to do with illegal immigration?

I am guessing that people are angry.

A bit like, if a person is angry, they lash out.
So a bad day at the office can result in a wife beating, type thing.

Sure there are much better examples than that, but best I can think of for now.

Grandmabatty

Some folk on here should look to their laurels. I can't believe the number of hateful, hysterical and racist and biased posts that have been made on this site. It's enough to make me want to step away.

Doubtless that would undeniably include yourself?

Grandmabatty

Some folk on here should look to their laurels. I can't believe the number of hateful, hysterical and racist and biased posts that have been made on this site. It's enough to make me want to step away.

I agree.

Casdon

I agree, and I think on Gransnet we should stop feeding the beast. The more responses there are, the more permission we are giving for the lunatics to take over the asylum. I’m guilty, because some posts are deliberately very provocative, but I’m sitting on my hands. Blanking is the way forward.

Blanking? Ah yes - you mean Censorship......

mae13

Casdon

I agree, and I think on Gransnet we should stop feeding the beast. The more responses there are, the more permission we are giving for the lunatics to take over the asylum. I’m guilty, because some posts are deliberately very provocative, but I’m sitting on my hands. Blanking is the way forward.

Blanking? Ah yes - you mean Censorship......

No, I mean not responding. We all have that individual choice.

I came on this thread hoping to talk about the O/P, which seems important as the whole saga begun - I recall the thread here and events so well - with the false information on S/M put about the person who attacked those poor children just over a week ago.

That they were a muslim migrant. Against the wishes of the people of Southport, a targeted riot happened that night, and its been continued.

I feel we should all be concerned about fake news.

One day it could happen to us or those close to us.

fancythat

JaneJudge

What has attacking mosques and setting fire to shoe shops got to do with illegal immigration?

I am guessing that people are angry.

A bit like, if a person is angry, they lash out.
So a bad day at the office can result in a wife beating, type thing.

Sure there are much better examples than that, but best I can think of for now.

are you saying they are particular type of individual? ie. violent?

Wyllow I know I keep repeating myself but the BBC posted the wrong information as well. Actual media outlets are to blame too.