False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

Apologies if this has been suggested already. If everyone was obliged to reveal their name, address, and contact number, supported by documentary proof, before a social media account was granted, and compelled to use their real name (only, not the other private details) on the site instead of a forum name, then much of the dangerous stuff would stop.

Kandinsky

Time of posting was seen as a big red flag during the Brexit debates on mumsnet - anyone posting pro brexit posts in the early hours of the morning was called a Russian Bot. I didn’t agree tbh but that’s what was happening.
But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning.

But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning.

It's unusual I grant you.

You say it's "odd". I've been known to do online banking in the early hours of the morning when I couldn't sleep as well as pinging off emails to various people.

Explain it to me. This 'oddness'.

How is it that a simple thread like this has turned into a finger-wagging one?

Lots of us are ip at 3 and you can hardly accuse a long-time Gransnetter of being a bot!

I think this is really a thread about spreading lies and hatred on the Internet.

We have all seen a lot of deliberate stirring on Gransnet. Some have brought this hatred onto this site as though it is fact.

I am no more perfect than anyone else but I do try to check facts before posting.
I don't accept that "facts" are generally found on Facebook or Twitter - unless they are properly sourced - this is where half truths and out of context things seem to come from.

InnocentBystander spot on!

Well said, Not spaghetti.

People can post what they like, when they like.
What a total load of old tripe, monitoring other peoples posting times.

Kandinsky

1000’s of illegals arriving by small boats every year ( & have been for decades ) & absolutely nothing - repeat nothing - being done about it is a fact.
Social media is not making that up!

That’s what these riots are about.

How is burning down a library, looting Gregs, Lush and Shoezone in any way related to migrants?

They are far right thugs that do not represent the majority of this country.

JaneJudge

Wyllow I know I keep repeating myself but the BBC posted the wrong information as well. Actual media outlets are to blame too.

I'm really doubting your memory, JJ.

The only information I saw on the BBC about the attacker was that he was 17 and came from Cardiff.

I am positive that the BBC wouldn't have published more than what they had been told by the police.

The 'name' and asylum seeker details came from posters on the thread (which has now gone, so there's no way of checking).

The only 'media outlet' publishing the lies about him that I saw was the fake news site which someone linked too.

BevSec

Also reading a book called Values Voice and Virtues by Matthew Goodwin. It is a dispassionate and balanced book about how mass immigration is changing our culture. Worth a read whatever your point of view.

youtu.be/w-8jFWoNn3A?si=PnC1wjrEW0O9swkb

BevSec yes I like Mat Goodwin I watch him on his YouTube channel.

He was on TalkTV this morning, thought you might be interested BevSec

if you wouldn’t say it face to face don’t say it on social media

GrannySomerset I totally agree.

Dickens

Kandinsky

Time of posting was seen as a big red flag during the Brexit debates on mumsnet - anyone posting pro brexit posts in the early hours of the morning was called a Russian Bot. I didn’t agree tbh but that’s what was happening.
But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning.

But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning.

It's unusual I grant you.

You say it's "odd". I've been known to do online banking in the early hours of the morning when I couldn't sleep as well as pinging off emails to various people.

Explain it to me. This 'oddness'.

Perhaps it it more 'screen addiction', which we all, to some degree, have.
If I am awake in the night I make a strong effort to not start glaring at a screen because the brain becomes active and you may not be able to get back to sleep.

Thank you Nicenanny3, I will have a look.

The media outlet that released the false information was called Channel3 Now and this article from the Telegraph explains what it is; a Russian-linked ‘news’ outlet.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/08/03/obscure-russian-linked-news-outlet-fuelling-violence/#:~:text=Recipes-,The%20obscure%20Russian%2Dlinked%20'news'%20outlet%20fuelling%20violence%20on,How%20did%20this%20happen%3F&text=Before%20the%20fire%20and%20fury,name%20%E2%80%93%20Ali%20Al%2DShakati.

I remember the wrong info being posted by a Gransnetter, and a link to Channel3 Now. The thread was taken down.

A name like that looks so genuine doesn't it; easy to confuse with a BBC site.

Nicenanny3

BevSec

Also reading a book called Values Voice and Virtues by Matthew Goodwin. It is a dispassionate and balanced book about how mass immigration is changing our culture. Worth a read whatever your point of view.

youtu.be/w-8jFWoNn3A?si=PnC1wjrEW0O9swkb

BevSec yes I like Mat Goodwin I watch him on his YouTube channel.

He was on TalkTV this morning, thought you might be interested BevSec

It doesn't surprise me that you like him. His views are right wing - and he doesn't deny it.

Perhaps it it more 'screen addiction', which we all, to some degree, have.
If I am awake in the night I make a strong effort to not start glaring at a screen because the brain becomes active and you may not be able to get back to sleep

Your choice - I read all my books on my iPad, sometimes the paper online and sometimes GN
Each to their own- who is to say what is “odd” 🤪🤪🤪🤪🤪

A long time poster JaneJudge posted she had read it on the BBC site and doubled down on this. She apologised but insisted that was her source.

I watched Newsnight last night and two people including the presenter stated several times that Tommy Robinson was inciting riots whilst relaxing in his multi million pound villa in Cyprus. He’s staying in a hotel. They stated this several times. It’s not true but that’s the BBC.

I have been rounded on here before for posting stuff others disagree with and my source is rubbish only to prove otherwise and even received an apology once.

Google is your friend is another. There’s all sorts of stuff on Google that’s incorrect.

A prolific left wing member on here provided the Daily Mail as her source a few days ago. Not a peep because it suited the narrative. Post a link from mail offering an alternative view and it’s rubbished.

@MaizieD I have gone back and checked. You are right. I must have misread but it is on the BBC website all the same on this stream

The report falsely claims that that the 17-year old suspect is an "asylum seeker" named "Ali Al-Shakati", who "arrived in the UK by boat last year"

Growstuff, why would he deny it?

Boz

Dickens

Kandinsky

Time of posting was seen as a big red flag during the Brexit debates on mumsnet - anyone posting pro brexit posts in the early hours of the morning was called a Russian Bot. I didn’t agree tbh but that’s what was happening.
But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning.

But I do think it’s a bit odd, if you’re living in the UK, to be C&P’ing articles from the guardian at 3’ O’clock in the morning.

It's unusual I grant you.

You say it's "odd". I've been known to do online banking in the early hours of the morning when I couldn't sleep as well as pinging off emails to various people.

Explain it to me. This 'oddness'.

Perhaps it it more 'screen addiction', which we all, to some degree, have.
If I am awake in the night I make a strong effort to not start glaring at a screen because the brain becomes active and you may not be able to get back to sleep.

Perhaps it it more 'screen addiction', which we all, to some degree, have.
If I am awake in the night I make a strong effort to not start glaring at a screen because the brain becomes active and you may not be able to get back to sleep.

I completely agree. The brain most certainly does become active and I think it's documented that it makes it difficult to get back to sleep.

Social media is I think to some extent part of all our lives now. I don't know if it's an addiction or if it's taken the place of the long-gone meet ups with friends in the pub or coffee shop, or chats on the 'phone with friends. And certainly for those, like me, who are mostly housebound looking after a disabled OH, it's definitely a kind of replacement interaction.

But I do not accept that it's odd to be posting at 3 am in the morning - or any time during the night hours. As you the age 8 hour's sleep format often goes right out the window. Illness, aches and pains, worries, being a carer for a spouse, etc - all these things often keep us up, or waken us during the night. My grandmother, when she couldn't sleep, used to get up, make tea and polish shoes. She might have been on GN too if it had existed in the 1940s, who knows!

This now makes the circulation of damaging and false information online into an offence in its own right.”
Good. Prosecution is going to be a mammoth task but it has to start now with the high profile offenders. An isolated incident in my little part of Scotland was posted as a frenzied racist knife attack on X by Tate. I was shocked that his vile misinformation had touched my home town but clearly his influence is everywhere. Fortunately, the truth of the matter was in the public domain and nobody took the bait.
As for GN, I prefer to let like minded posters get on with bolstering each other's opinions. If I don't agree I find that countering them is pointless.

i apologise to everyone as I must have mis read it as the BBC quoting it and missed it was false news report from the US (unless there is more on the older stream that I read)

Its good to see a prosecution at last for online crime

"Leeds man first to face prosecution for alleged online hatred, linked to disorder

A 28-year-old man has been charged with posting content online intending to stir up racial hatred, in relation to this past week's violent disorder.
Jordan Parlour, of Seacroft in Leeds, is the first individual to face prosecution for posting allegedly criminal messages linked to the violence.
Nick Price, of the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS), said that it had authorised West Yorkshire Police to charge Parlour with using threatening words or behaviour intending to stir up racial hatred.
The charge relates to alleged Facebook posts between 1 and 5 August in connection with the public disorder."

Sorry - ref the BBC stream
www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cw5yyynpwnzt

Let me explain my sleep pattern, not frankly that it is anyone’s business.

It is called Segmented sleep, which I have been doing as I’ve got older, although I did so when studying and not so much when I worked full time.

So for those hard of thinking let me explain

We may be hardwired to sleep in two periods. A study by the National Institute of Mental Health looked at how people slept when they got 10 hours of light a day -- about as much as on a winter's day. Researchers found that those folks got their shut-eye in two chunks, with a few hours awake in between. That's closer to how animals sleep, too.

Some people follow that split schedule today -- using the middle-of-the-night awake period as a creative time to think, read, meditate, or work.

"There are people for whom that seems to be a productive way to live and suits them just fine," says Mary Carskadon, PhD, a sleep researcher at Brown University. "But it's hard to do if you have family and a job you have to go to every day."

It works very well for me. Sometimes I might sleep the entire night, but generally I find that the two shift pattern works very well for me.

I hope that helps those whose minds seem so closed that they cannot conceive anything outside of their normality.

Explains a lot.

Could you back that up by posting a doctors certificate.