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False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 03:21:40

Since January, an amendment to the Online Safety Act 2023 allows for the prosecution of those who convey information that they know to be false and “if the person intended the message, or the information in it, to cause non-trivial psychological or physical harm to a likely audience”.
Ashley Fairbrother, a senior prosecutor at the law firm Edmonds Marshall McMahon, said: “This now makes the circulation of damaging and false information online into an offence in its own right.”

A former director of public prosecutions, Lord Ken Macdonald KC, spelled out on Monday how he believed investigators would want to quickly identify individuals who are involved in “online organisation, online incitement and online conspiracies”.
“I think prosecutors will want to have a strategy to identify people who may have been involved in inciting and encouraging these events, and they will want to arrest them and build cases against them. These are, in one sense, the most important people,”

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 13:21:07

Oreo

MayBee70

Oreo

IDGTH about anyone’s sleeping patterns or when they choose to post a comment, that’s their business, but I do care about posters telling others what they shouldn’t comment on.
More power to the Police’s elbow for prosecuting real hate speech and incitement to others online.There is nothing on GN remotely like this, and it does need saying.

So why did they feel the need to remove one thread?

What thread was that as I have no idea? Am guessing it had become spat after spat between posters, that’s the usual reason for pulling a thread.

iirc, the O/P on the thread actually opened with the rumour that caused all the problems - the very dodgy source one that said the murderer was a migrant of asian/muslim origin.

There followed a whole number of posts that were then deleted, because of their content, until the police announced the perp was a UK citizen aged 17 from Cardiff.

So then another lot of deletions when people used OTT language to criticise the opening posts. It got to such a state that GNHQ closed the thread.

tickingbird Tue 06-Aug-24 13:21:19

I wish people would stop posting lengthy news articles in full.

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 13:22:00

tickingbird I get that.

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 13:24:27

I must also stop quoting multiple posts as it gets ridiculous and impossible to work out who’s saying what.🤔

MaizieD Tue 06-Aug-24 13:28:00

MissAdventure

Could you back that up by posting a doctors certificate. smile

😂😂😂

Cossy Tue 06-Aug-24 13:36:04

MissAdventure

Could you back that up by posting a doctors certificate. smile

And a note from your Mum!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 13:48:18

😄😄

Dickens Tue 06-Aug-24 15:15:22

InnocentBystander

Apologies if this has been suggested already. If everyone was obliged to reveal their name, address, and contact number, supported by documentary proof, before a social media account was granted, and compelled to use their real name (only, not the other private details) on the site instead of a forum name, then much of the dangerous stuff would stop.

For a small fee, anyone can look up your name on the info-findr.net website;

Search for a person and get a confidential report. You will know about everything, extracted from public records.

... thus -

130 Million Property Records
6 Billion Consumer Records
3.9 Billion Historical Records
600 Million Court Records
89 Million Business Records
120+ Social Networks

Oh, the website does insist that Data you get from our website must be used in a lawful manner.

So that's OK then. I'm sure no-one with malicious intent would ever use the facility to look up a person's name, find all kinds of information about them and use it against them either on social media or, more personally, to threaten or intimidate them, would they?

Dickens Tue 06-Aug-24 15:19:31

Oreo

I must also stop quoting multiple posts as it gets ridiculous and impossible to work out who’s saying what.🤔

We need a 'nesting' facility where comments on one particular post are listed beneath it and added to if necessary. Such replies can then be either expanded or collapsed so only the original post remains.

MissAdventure Tue 06-Aug-24 15:31:34

I canttell who has said what when there is a list of names at the top of a post.

Siope Tue 06-Aug-24 16:09:00

Another carer, and productive in the middle of the night person here. I posted a Connections result at about 3.30 this morning, done as some light relief from tendering for consultancy work.

fancythat Tue 06-Aug-24 17:07:31

JaneJudge

fancythat

JaneJudge

What has attacking mosques and setting fire to shoe shops got to do with illegal immigration?

I am guessing that people are angry.

A bit like, if a person is angry, they lash out.
So a bad day at the office can result in a wife beating, type thing.

Sure there are much better examples than that, but best I can think of for now.

are you saying they are particular type of individual? ie. violent?

No, I dont think so?
I have never met a rioter, or know one as far as I know, in real life.

But I do know in real life, a few people, who can get quite angry.

fancythat Tue 06-Aug-24 17:10:19

WW2 - I wouldnt feel the need, or pressure, to explain my sleep pattern to anyone!

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 17:13:07

Dickens

Oreo

I must also stop quoting multiple posts as it gets ridiculous and impossible to work out who’s saying what.🤔

We need a 'nesting' facility where comments on one particular post are listed beneath it and added to if necessary. Such replies can then be either expanded or collapsed so only the original post remains.

We certainly do need that 👍🏻

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 17:14:45

It shuts them up when I post in the middle of the night in future.

Otherwise it would be so boring reading their puerile nonsense, and I don’t won’t to subject other people to discussing my sleeping pattern day after day.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 17:19:27

“The director of public prosecutions in England and Wales says he is "willing" to consider charging some rioters with terrorism offences

Meanwhile, Prime Minister Keir Starmer is to chair an emergency Cobra meeting tonight on efforts to tackle the unrest

Suspects are appearing in court after a week of violence in the UK, with 100 people charged and more than 400 arrested

In Belfast, a man in his 50s is in a serious condition in hospital after what police are treating as a racially motivated hate attack”

BBC

Did anyone see the report on BBC showing a poor man whose business had been burnt to the ground?

I could have wept for him. He seemed utterly defeated.

HousePlantQueen Tue 06-Aug-24 17:23:01

JaneJudge

What has attacking mosques and setting fire to shoe shops got to do with illegal immigration?

Ah, but don't forget the true patriots ransacking Lush, presumably they do a special range to calm inflamed minds.

Casdon Tue 06-Aug-24 17:26:17

I’m impressed with speed at which the courts are dealing with rioters. So many hundreds of people have wrecked their own lives as well as other peoples. In the cold light of day, when they are sat in prison cells, I wonder if they will still think it was the right thing to do.

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 17:27:36

Am surprised they could bear the smell in Lush😲I can’t even walk past their open door without sneezing.
It comes to something when people are looting a shoezone doesn’t it?

Oreo Tue 06-Aug-24 17:29:17

Casdon

I’m impressed with speed at which the courts are dealing with rioters. So many hundreds of people have wrecked their own lives as well as other peoples. In the cold light of day, when they are sat in prison cells, I wonder if they will still think it was the right thing to do.

Most will be regretful, a few won’t care less.Some of the arrested already have a string of offences in their pasts.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 17:35:32

I would like to see the entire Pride people in all their finery greet the thugs.

Casdon Tue 06-Aug-24 17:36:27

There must be thousands at home waiting for a knock on the door too. Social media has its downsides without a doubt, but with so many onlookers taking videos with sound, perpetrators won’t get away with denying their involvement.

Casdon Tue 06-Aug-24 17:39:12

Whitewavemark2

I would like to see the entire Pride people in all their finery greet the thugs.

I thought maybe it would be the Greens - maybe they will be throwing greens back at them, pity it’s not Brussels sprout season.

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 17:40:55

Oh I think the greens are far too polite.

You don’t mess with Pride😄😄

Granmarderby10 Tue 06-Aug-24 17:54:55

I do not know what the definition of terrorism is in its “traditional” context but the “unrest”? …aka rioting/looting/committing arson/ attacking police and smashing into buildings and peoples back gardens, I would imagine is damn terrifying to experience or witness.

And so yes it should be considered a terrorist offence.