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False information and incitement on SM and prosecuting the perpetrators

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Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 03:21:40

Since January, an amendment to the Online Safety Act 2023 allows for the prosecution of those who convey information that they know to be false and “if the person intended the message, or the information in it, to cause non-trivial psychological or physical harm to a likely audience”.
Ashley Fairbrother, a senior prosecutor at the law firm Edmonds Marshall McMahon, said: “This now makes the circulation of damaging and false information online into an offence in its own right.”

A former director of public prosecutions, Lord Ken Macdonald KC, spelled out on Monday how he believed investigators would want to quickly identify individuals who are involved in “online organisation, online incitement and online conspiracies”.
“I think prosecutors will want to have a strategy to identify people who may have been involved in inciting and encouraging these events, and they will want to arrest them and build cases against them. These are, in one sense, the most important people,”

Rowantree Tue 06-Aug-24 17:56:33

Just adding my farthingsworth: no human is 'illegal'.
If there were efficient safe and legal ways of applying for asylum and good solid infrastructure to ensure each application is processed swiftly, there would be far less reliance on 'small boats'. That's where the focus needs to be now, with all speed. That way those whose need is great can be accepted and anyone whose need is considered to be minimal can be refused. No internment in hideously cruel camps for months and even years.
These are fellow human beings who want to live safely, work and contribute.

LizzieDrip Tue 06-Aug-24 18:01:40

Am surprised they could bear the smell in Lush😲

At least they’ll be easily identified; the police will be able to smell ‘em a mile away!

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 18:11:22

A tiny % think that there are people have legitimate concerns almost the entire country thinks that they are rioter or thugs

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 18:17:46

Richard Osman’s new kitten from Brighton RSPCA.

To cheer people up😊😊

Whitewavemark2 Tue 06-Aug-24 18:18:04

He said not me!

Allsorts Tue 06-Aug-24 18:32:05

7 pages discussing law breakers, they are being deal with.

Granmarderby10 Tue 06-Aug-24 18:52:03

Whitewavemark2 I had a conversation with someone who works in social housing yesterday who asked if there had been any *trouble” in Derby -there’s hasn’t been fortunately , and this persons response to my rhetorical question implied that if I had seen the things that they had etc etc - in the course of their work then I would think differently.

My question was “ how does setting fire to someone’s car (for example) improve the lives of anyone in this country”

They did not express any condemnation of the rioters, I noticed.

petra Tue 06-Aug-24 18:52:20

Rowantree
No migrant “illegal” or otherwise has been interned in this country. They are free to come and go as they wish.
The only people who have been interned are those who have been denied leave to stay so are transferred to detention centres, and I agree they are bad.

valdavi Tue 06-Aug-24 18:53:53

Kandinsky

1000’s of illegals arriving by small boats every year ( & have been for decades ) & absolutely nothing - repeat nothing - being done about it is a fact.
Social media is not making that up!

That’s what these riots are about.

One thing that would work is to give the countries of origin loads of aid to help them improve theire economies.(the economic migrants not those persecuted) I'm not advocating this,(we don't have the £££) but is that an action that you would approve Kandinsky? Otherwise it is an intractable problem worsened by Brexit & delays in processing claims.Those who are so frustrated have just had their chance to vote for Reform; Reform didn't win. As with the 2016 result, not winning can hurt - that's no excuse to riot.

Daddima Tue 06-Aug-24 18:55:31

Dickens

InnocentBystander

Apologies if this has been suggested already. If everyone was obliged to reveal their name, address, and contact number, supported by documentary proof, before a social media account was granted, and compelled to use their real name (only, not the other private details) on the site instead of a forum name, then much of the dangerous stuff would stop.

For a small fee, anyone can look up your name on the info-findr.net website;

Search for a person and get a confidential report. You will know about everything, extracted from public records.

... thus -

130 Million Property Records
6 Billion Consumer Records
3.9 Billion Historical Records
600 Million Court Records
89 Million Business Records
120+ Social Networks

Oh, the website does insist that Data you get from our website must be used in a lawful manner.

So that's OK then. I'm sure no-one with malicious intent would ever use the facility to look up a person's name, find all kinds of information about them and use it against them either on social media or, more personally, to threaten or intimidate them, would they?

PLEASE DO NOT USE THIS WEBSITE!

Sorry to shout, but I thought this sounded dodgy, and a look at Trust Pilot tells me that once you have paid the ‘small fee’, your details will be used to pay a £39 per month subscription, which will have been mentioned in the small print.

Cossy Tue 06-Aug-24 19:49:56

Granmarderby10

I do not know what the definition of terrorism is in its “traditional” context but the “unrest”? …aka rioting/looting/committing arson/ attacking police and smashing into buildings and peoples back gardens, I would imagine is damn terrifying to experience or witness.

And so yes it should be considered a terrorist offence.

I agree

Cossy Tue 06-Aug-24 19:56:01

Rowantree

Just adding my farthingsworth: no human is 'illegal'.
If there were efficient safe and legal ways of applying for asylum and good solid infrastructure to ensure each application is processed swiftly, there would be far less reliance on 'small boats'. That's where the focus needs to be now, with all speed. That way those whose need is great can be accepted and anyone whose need is considered to be minimal can be refused. No internment in hideously cruel camps for months and even years.
These are fellow human beings who want to live safely, work and contribute.

Well said

fancythat Tue 06-Aug-24 20:28:31

Rowantree

Just adding my farthingsworth: no human is 'illegal'.
If there were efficient safe and legal ways of applying for asylum and good solid infrastructure to ensure each application is processed swiftly, there would be far less reliance on 'small boats'. That's where the focus needs to be now, with all speed. That way those whose need is great can be accepted and anyone whose need is considered to be minimal can be refused. No internment in hideously cruel camps for months and even years.
These are fellow human beings who want to live safely, work and contribute.

20 more million?

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 20:28:35

Seconded.

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 20:29:09

To the no human being is illegal!

Doodledog Tue 06-Aug-24 20:31:19

www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Ezpx5u1R0

Doodledog Tue 06-Aug-24 20:35:41

All most of us can do now is to know that we have taught the next generation to do the right thing.

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 20:38:28

What a wonderful song, thank you.

biglouis Tue 06-Aug-24 20:44:02

There is a petition on Change Org to regulate the social media platforms from the spread of disinformation.

Signed and donated.

Hope this works.

www.change.org/p/demand-regulatory-measures-on-social-media-platforms/psf/share?cs_tk=AoXUcbTkIiuWOYWGu2YAAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvMnKVRI2XiGzKuzpUJTB8bE%3D&pt=AVBldGl0aW9uAF1ENx0AAAAAZrJMBIouPkg4MjVkZjhkYw%3D%3D&source_location=aa_augmented_sign_ask&utm_campaign=01c7a74e81d349a789a76d807110400a&utm_content=initial_v0_0_6&utm_medium=email&utm_source=aa_augmented_sign_ask&utm_term=cs

Jaxjacky Tue 06-Aug-24 21:01:19

Casdon

I’m impressed with speed at which the courts are dealing with rioters. So many hundreds of people have wrecked their own lives as well as other peoples. In the cold light of day, when they are sat in prison cells, I wonder if they will still think it was the right thing to do.

Me too Casdon most remanded in custody too and some having their pictures published on MSM.

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 21:09:57

Thank you biglouis, your ref didnt ring up the start page for me so here it is just in case others have the same problem.

www.change.org/p/demand-regulatory-measures-on-social-media-platforms

JaneJudge Tue 06-Aug-24 22:07:47

The edl are doing a planned March here tomorrow 😭 we all live here happily. I hate them

LizzieDrip Tue 06-Aug-24 23:55:43

Thank you Doodledog - powerful song. Often music just hits the spot doesn’t it. Gave me a little tear in my eye🥲

Thank you biglouis & Wyllow for the petition link. Signed👍

JaneJudge please stay safe tomorrow. Hopefully they might not turn up🤞

Wyllow3 Tue 06-Aug-24 23:58:33

So sorry, JJ.

Whitewavemark2 Wed 07-Aug-24 03:59:49

I’m beginning to feel confident that the government and authorities have definitely got a handle on the situation now.

I’m sure there will continue to be unrest for a while, but the 6000 standing army of riot police has been mobilised and gradually the dregs will be mopped up or crawl back into their holes.

The courts have stepped up, and sentences will be handed down, and everyone can get back to normal.

But - I do think there are serious issues to be resolved for some British people.

Once parliament begins I think what is needed a a definition of what it means to be Islamaphobic - would you believe that whilst we all know what anti-semitism means and the lines over which it is not acceptable to step over, no such courtesy has been given to Muslims in the U.K.
This must be done as a matter of urgency, alongside the long road of education for people who don’t think that Black Lives Matter, or Islam is a “threat to the British way of life”.

It is ignorance like this that has fuelled the ability for far right thuggery to operate alongside the use of SM, which governments must get to grips with, and I’m sure they will.

Meanwhile we prepare for another few days thuggery, but this time forewarned is forarmed, and I suspect that the thugs will be much more easily dealt with and whisked out of sight in double quick time.

Ever onwards.

The British are not that easily cowed or persuaded that decency doesn’t matter, and every British citizen deserves a life of peace and harmony.