Don’t mess with the tolerant people in Brighton.

You want a crack down on dog whistling? You mean a crackdown on words that arent threats. That's gone brilliantly well previously hasnt it?

Doodledog

*Why are we having this discussion? I have not seen anyone defend this vile labour councillor and I was unaware of him until I read GN.*
It seems to be an attempt to detract from a discussion of how Nigel Farage has stirred up hatred. Whataboutery was used to smear posters outside the right- wing echo chamber by suggesting that no reference was made to the councillor’s behaviour, and although that was completely untrue it persisted.

You mean you’d rather it wasn’t talked about I guess.
It has nada to do with Farage, it was a shocking incident captured on film of a Labour Councillor of mature years who should have known better, standing with a mic and ranting at the crowd around him, who cheered his comments.It wasn’t a throwaway remark to a pal of his in the pub.
We can stop talking about it and nobody here has defended the indefensible but don’t try and negate it by using the dead cat of Farage and whataboutery please.

Oreo no-one has suggested it was a "throw away remark" and as you say "no-one has defended the indefensible". I'm not aware that anyone has tried to "negate it by using the dead cat of Farage and whataboutery" However, the issue of how people in the public eye respond to events of national importance is of interest and worthy of discussion. This lab councillor, Ricky Jones has been suspended and arrested. So he should be, the vile man. Farage is an elected member of parliament and made IMO, unwise and uninformed comments whilst he was out in the US, Lee Anderson also made some very unwise comments before knowing the true circumstances of the situation. It is my personal opinion that this is why they are both dangerous but they won't get arrested, will they?

My phone isn’t letting me quote, but this is in reply to Oreo.

Please don’t tell me what I’d ‘rather not talk about. I can speak for myself. The question was about why we are having the discussion. The reason, as I see it, is that the subject of the councillor, who has been supported by absolutely no one on here has come up is to detract and distract from talking about the tactics of Farage, Tice, Tate and their cronies. There is very little to say about him (I forget his name). He said a stupid and inflammatory thing, was arrested and has been suspended. Nobody is disputing that or suggesting that the arrest and suspension should not have happened. It’s a dead cat, yes.

Kandinsky

*Away and bile your heid*

Get things in perspective

You need to change the record

All comments in reply to my concerns about a Labour councillor wanting to cut people’s throats.

On a thread about the tolerant peace loving left.

Here's a thing! It is possible to feel some level of irritation and also place some support and a little hope in the Labour Party.

Personally my support is very limited, my hope is tiny. I feel cynical and jaded about all things political.

The Labour Councillor sounds like a fool and I believe has been dealt with swiftly.

NF and Anderson are in a different league and still very much at large.

I should cut and paste Cadebys post and use it as my feelings about the labour party. It's quite poetic.

Yes, that Councillor has been arrested but trying to claim he was a lone voice is disingenuous.

He had, according to reports, a cheering, applauding crowd behind him so how long before some of that baying mob decided to take revenge?
He was shouting "Free Palestine" so quite what that has to do with the horrific crimes in Southport is puzzling.
Any excuse for anarchy?

A councillor suspended by Labour has been arrested over a speech calling for the throats of ‘fascists’ to be cut.

Dartford councillor Ricky Jones has been suspended by the party over a video which shows him in the middle of a cheering crowd at a protest in Walthamstow, east London, organised to stop the far-right from targeting asylum centres and the offices of lawyers helping asylum seekers.

In the speech on Wednesday evening, he said: “We need to cut all their throats and get rid of them.”

The Independent.

Thanks for that comment Cadenby, much how I feel.

Callistemon213 No-one as far as I know has suggested he's a "lone voice". There are racists lurking in every political party, in every union, on many streets in the UK and abroad, probably in many families, which is why, IMHO, threads like this one are not necessarily about the views of labour supporters. I would hope that most of us, regardless of political leanings do not support the behaviour of those thugs who have used a terrible tragedy to fan the flames of racism.

No-one as far as I know has suggested he's a "lone voice"

Earlier in the thread, foxie48.

Callistemon213

^No-one as far as I know has suggested he's a "lone voice"^

Earlier in the thread, foxie48.

Re-read it.

You have misread the meaning

Nobody has misread anything.

Doodledog

My phone isn’t letting me quote, but this is in reply to Oreo.

Please don’t tell me what I’d ‘rather not talk about. I can speak for myself. The question was about why we are having the discussion. The reason, as I see it, is that the subject of the councillor, who has been supported by absolutely no one on here has come up is to detract and distract from talking about the tactics of Farage, Tice, Tate and their cronies. There is very little to say about him (I forget his name). He said a stupid and inflammatory thing, was arrested and has been suspended. Nobody is disputing that or suggesting that the arrest and suspension should not have happened. It’s a dead cat, yes.

So quite clearly you think that the only reason the shocking rant by the Councillor being talked about is to distract from anyone else talking about Farage?Really?!

You don’t think it’s newsworthy?

Message deleted by Gransnet. Here's a link to our Talk guidelines.

Kandinsky

Cadeby

No problem.
These discussions are always pointless as no one ever changes their mind. It’s just strangers arguing with each other which is pretty sad ( to me anyway )

😁 but stimulating.

Oh I dunno,
I can think of better ways to be stimulated. 😄
I only come on here when I’m bored stiff.

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon213

No-one as far as I know has suggested he's a "lone voice"

Earlier in the thread, foxie48.

Re-read it.

You have misread the meaning

Really?

Yes, that Councillor has been arrested but trying to claim he was a lone voice is disingenuous.

Who is 'trying to claim he was a lone voice'? As this has been discussed across threads, it's perfectly possible that I've missed it - I'm not being argumentative.

And Oreo - yes, I think it's newsworthy, but I also think that the reason we are 'debating' it is for the reasons I have outlined more than once. There is really little to be said, other than to agree that it was wrong and support his arrest, which people have done.

Callistemon213

Whitewavemark2

Callistemon213

No-one as far as I know has suggested he's a "lone voice"

Earlier in the thread, foxie48.

Re-read it.

You have misread the meaning

Really?

Well if you quoted the post in mind at least we would all be singing from the same hymn sheet. And the poster could if they wish defend their comment.

Innuendo doesn’t cut it I’m afraid and causes confusion and upset.

Doodledog

*Yes, that Councillor has been arrested but trying to claim he was a lone voice is disingenuous.*

Who is 'trying to claim he was a lone voice'? As this has been discussed across threads, it's perfectly possible that I've missed it - I'm not being argumentative.

And Oreo - yes, I think it's newsworthy, but I also think that the reason we are 'debating' it is for the reasons I have outlined more than once. There is really little to be said, other than to agree that it was wrong and support his arrest, which people have done.

Who is 'trying to claim he was a lone voice'?

It's a red herring
And he is just ONE

And other such comments on threads.

He may be just one person (who is not? 🤔) but there was a cheering crowd around him.

Tommy Robinson is just one as well.

Both extremists from opposite ends of the spectrum.

Let's look t the full picture.

I am trying to be non-partisan but obviously few on GN are.

Someone asked another poster who was concerned about what is happening in Britain, why does she stay here? (nasty!)

I wonder what is happening to Gransnet.

Callistemon213

Doodledog

Yes, that Councillor has been arrested but trying to claim he was a lone voice is disingenuous.

Who is 'trying to claim he was a lone voice'? As this has been discussed across threads, it's perfectly possible that I've missed it - I'm not being argumentative.

And Oreo - yes, I think it's newsworthy, but I also think that the reason we are 'debating' it is for the reasons I have outlined more than once. There is really little to be said, other than to agree that it was wrong and support his arrest, which people have done.

Who is 'trying to claim he was a lone voice'?

It's a red herring
And he is just ONE

And other such comments on threads.

He may be just one person (who is not? 🤔) but there was a cheering crowd around him.

Tommy Robinson is just one as well.

Both extremists from opposite ends of the spectrum.

Let's look t the full picture.

Oh so it isn’t just one post. You are saying that a lot of people have suggested it now.

Well I think you are incorrect.

However, the man has now been arrested. So job done.

That was said to me.
It wasn’t deleted as I didn’t report it.

But this post of mine;

No problem.
These discussions are always pointless as no one ever changes their mind. It’s just strangers arguing with each other which is pretty sad ( to me anyway )

Has been deleted for breaking talk guidelines.
Someone obviously reported it.

Now I can’t see a single thing wrong with that post. I’m not personally attacking anyone.
I’ve asked HQ to explain why it was deleted.

My post was in reply to Callistemon213