Right Wing False Flag?????

Callistemon213

Well, I got lost somewhere down a rabbit hole 🤔

#AliceinWonderland

Yes, probably the best place to be.

I'd just like to get to the bottom of it.

Petra is more than likely correct. One more nitwit stirring the pot.

Look, with the sort of febrile atmosphere we are experiencing in this country, there will be all sorts of stuff on line and elsewhere that alarms some people. This feeds into the fear and people are then wide open to all sorts of lies and conspiracy theories.
we can see it on here with posters from the right and even one or two who profess themselves from the left😏 continually trying to find reasons to remain alarmed and fearful.

This will pass.

We simply need to remain calm, vigilant and refuse to be sidetracked.

There may be a few more days of violence, and there may be more idiots whose mouth is bigger than their brain.

But we will prevail, I am 100% certain.

Nick Lowles is reported as saying this list was compiled by one person but he doesn't say who
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/07/thousands-of-anti-racism-protesters-take-to-streets-to-counter-far-right-rallies

Iam64

But the so called right wing marches did happen. Police injured, businesses wrecked, people terrified. The fact they didn’t materialise to the great extent feared last night doesn’t mean Starmer and his cabinet ‘drove the narrative’. Seriously?

Some people just don’t want to believe that the government dealt with this swiftly and effectively (imo). And that was partly because Starmer had prior experience of such events.

Wyllow3

*If the far right put out false flags I'd rather the government acted with due caution instead of ignoring it, frankly for out safety and well being*

I do expect tho that in the Cobra meeting today there will have been discussion with those who monitor Social media activity as to identifying sources asap.

NO it wasn't the far right putting out false flags.

Unless I am mistaken

If this is to be believed, the person Nick Lowles is from the left, and he was suggesting there was a plan to inflate the numbers of so called far right protesters.

I leave it to you to make up your own mind as to why.

Namsnanny

Wyllow3

If the far right put out false flags I'd rather the government acted with due caution instead of ignoring it, frankly for out safety and well being

I do expect tho that in the Cobra meeting today there will have been discussion with those who monitor Social media activity as to identifying sources asap.

NO it wasn't the far right putting out false flags.

Unless I am mistaken

If this is to be believed, the person Nick Lowles is from the left, and he was suggesting there was a plan to inflate the numbers of so called far right protesters.

I leave it to you to make up your own mind as to why.

Are you suggesting that the government was involved in this so called deceit.

That’s brave.

MayBee70

Iam64

But the so called right wing marches did happen. Police injured, businesses wrecked, people terrified. The fact they didn’t materialise to the great extent feared last night doesn’t mean Starmer and his cabinet ‘drove the narrative’. Seriously?

Some people just don’t want to believe that the government dealt with this swiftly and effectively (imo). And that was partly because Starmer had prior experience of such events.

Not me MayBee70, but I'm sure you were just generalising.

Well, Knowles only ID'd one of the sources of threats very specifically:

That list which was a list of solicitors, their work address, their home residences, in order to encourage personal attacks on these people. Many but not all were Immigration Solicitors.

If Knowles is right on this, it's appalling and direct encouragement to direct violence to there - and their families. In which case the threat could not be ignored. it's bad enough to read social media encouraging attacks on Mosques but people in their homes? It explains why solicitors offices and other premises were boarded up.

I hope these posts will be traced and the posters arrested and charged.

FGS whitewavemark2 if everyone isn’t a Pollyanna about events, or they’re horrified that a Labour Councillor stands ranting to a crowd in the street about killing the far right then that’s fine by me.
It’s not all about skipping through the glitter and drag queens and poetry.
Of course the wave of violence will be over at some point but it’s what happens before we reach that point.

Wyllow3

Well, Knowles only ID'd one of the sources of threats very specifically:

That list which was a list of solicitors, their work address, their home residences, in order to encourage personal attacks on these people. Many but not all were Immigration Solicitors.

If Knowles is right on this, it's appalling and direct encouragement to direct violence to there - and their families. In which case the threat could not be ignored. it's bad enough to read social media encouraging attacks on Mosques but people in their homes? It explains why solicitors offices and other premises were boarded up.

I hope these posts will be traced and the posters arrested and charged.

I think it's Nick Lowles, Willow3

Sorry to nitpick but Nick Knowles helps people in need by renovating and changing their homes.

Oreo

FGS whitewavemark2 if everyone isn’t a Pollyanna about events, or they’re horrified that a Labour Councillor stands ranting to a crowd in the street about killing the far right then that’s fine by me.
It’s not all about skipping through the glitter and drag queens and poetry.
Of course the wave of violence will be over at some point but it’s what happens before we reach that point.

Oh dear has someone upset you?

Really you would be much better to ignore my posts as I constantly seem to irritate you.

I mange to ignore yours it’s quite easy. 😄😄👍👍

Whitewavemark2

Namsnanny

Wyllow3

If the far right put out false flags I'd rather the government acted with due caution instead of ignoring it, frankly for out safety and well being

I do expect tho that in the Cobra meeting today there will have been discussion with those who monitor Social media activity as to identifying sources asap.

NO it wasn't the far right putting out false flags.

Unless I am mistaken

If this is to be believed, the person Nick Lowles is from the left, and he was suggesting there was a plan to inflate the numbers of so called far right protesters.

I leave it to you to make up your own mind as to why.

Are you suggesting that the government was involved in this so called deceit.

That’s brave.

No not brave, and no I'm not suggesting anything.

I'm curious, and would like clarity.

I was just trying to explain the tweet to Wyllow3 so far as I understood it.

If you have read Petra post, she seems to have a good perspective on the man, so I'm going with her explanation (which is he tells lies) for now.

I am completely lost over this and cannot make head or tail of it.

Is the instigator saying that someone posted that some of the residents of the suffering communities who came out and stood in the streets with placards and effectively stopped much of last nights rioting, decided to join the other side and pretend to be rioters, to make the situation look worse?

If my understanding is correct. Could this vague poster tell us which towns this occurred in. Come to that could they identify the country. Lots of countries are dealing with rioting at the moment : Bangladesh, Venezuela, Kenya these crossovers could have happened in any of them.

Namsnanny

Whitewavemark2

Namsnanny

Wyllow3

If the far right put out false flags I'd rather the government acted with due caution instead of ignoring it, frankly for out safety and well being

I do expect tho that in the Cobra meeting today there will have been discussion with those who monitor Social media activity as to identifying sources asap.

NO it wasn't the far right putting out false flags.

Unless I am mistaken

If this is to be believed, the person Nick Lowles is from the left, and he was suggesting there was a plan to inflate the numbers of so called far right protesters.

I leave it to you to make up your own mind as to why.

Are you suggesting that the government was involved in this so called deceit.

That’s brave.

No not brave, and no I'm not suggesting anything.

I'm curious, and would like clarity.

I was just trying to explain the tweet to Wyllow3 so far as I understood it.

If you have read Petra post, she seems to have a good perspective on the man, so I'm going with her explanation (which is he tells lies) for now.

Good on glad you have found an explanation.

OldFrill

Nick Lowles is reported as saying this list was compiled by one person but he doesn't say who
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/07/thousands-of-anti-racism-protesters-take-to-streets-to-counter-far-right-rallies

Thank you for this OldFrill makes more sense of things

M0nica

I am completely lost over this and cannot make head or tail of it.

Is the instigator saying that someone posted that some of the residents of the suffering communities who came out and stood in the streets with placards and effectively stopped much of last nights rioting, decided to join the other side and pretend to be rioters, to make the situation look worse?

If my understanding is correct. Could this vague poster tell us which towns this occurred in. Come to that could they identify the country. Lots of countries are dealing with rioting at the moment : Bangladesh, Venezuela, Kenya these crossovers could have happened in any of them.

👍👍

M0nica

I am completely lost over this and cannot make head or tail of it.

Is the instigator saying that someone posted that some of the residents of the suffering communities who came out and stood in the streets with placards and effectively stopped much of last nights rioting, decided to join the other side and pretend to be rioters, to make the situation look worse?

If my understanding is correct. Could this vague poster tell us which towns this occurred in. Come to that could they identify the country. Lots of countries are dealing with rioting at the moment : Bangladesh, Venezuela, Kenya these crossovers could have happened in any of them.

Oh M0nica your post did make me smile

I'm more confused than ever, am I the vague poster, as I started this thread?

Or do you mean Nick Lowles who posted the tweet I quoted?

The best I can say is the link given by OldFrill is quite informative.

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

FGS whitewavemark2 if everyone isn’t a Pollyanna about events, or they’re horrified that a Labour Councillor stands ranting to a crowd in the street about killing the far right then that’s fine by me.
It’s not all about skipping through the glitter and drag queens and poetry.
Of course the wave of violence will be over at some point but it’s what happens before we reach that point.

Oh dear has someone upset you?

Really you would be much better to ignore my posts as I constantly seem to irritate you.

I mange to ignore yours it’s quite easy. 😄😄👍👍

If you ignore Oreo’s posts? How do you reply to them 🤷‍♀️

Thanks for correction on the name Callistemon213

Hope you didn't mind Willow
I must admit the first time I looked at the thread I thought "surely not Nick Knowles" 😮

I'm glad! I went off to google Nick Knowles 🙂

Callistemon213

Wyllow3

Well, Knowles only ID'd one of the sources of threats very specifically:

That list which was a list of solicitors, their work address, their home residences, in order to encourage personal attacks on these people. Many but not all were Immigration Solicitors.

If Knowles is right on this, it's appalling and direct encouragement to direct violence to there - and their families. In which case the threat could not be ignored. it's bad enough to read social media encouraging attacks on Mosques but people in their homes? It explains why solicitors offices and other premises were boarded up.

I hope these posts will be traced and the posters arrested and charged.

I think it's Nick Lowles, Willow3

Sorry to nitpick but Nick Knowles helps people in need by renovating and changing their homes.

Callistemon

Well Nick Lowles could have been encouraging 'changing their homes' but through a different method.

Nick lowles seems to auto correct to Nick Knowles, poor fellow he is definitely not involved.

This strikes me as conspiracy theory gone bonkers - is the best you can do?
The far Right were indeed out in force - causing god knows how much damage to property, to livelihoods but most of all to communities and community relations
Muslims felt real fear barricaded inside their places of worship, asylum seekers in their accommodation and shopkeepers and local businesses saw their living evaporate to the greedy, thieving looters who felt deprived of crocs and Lush cosmetics.
The response from communities such as that in Brighton and Walthamstow night restored my faith in human nature. Instead of hatred and intolerance, the extremists’ toxin was met with tolerance, welcome, love and kindness .
It might give some people satisfaction to snipe and blame conspiracy theory or double dealing but for me the prompt justice meted out to the offenders (on both sides!) restored my faith in our government not to as the Home Secretary “take their foot off the pedal”

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.