Right Wing False Flag?????

M0nica

I am completely lost over this and cannot make head or tail of it.

Is the instigator saying that someone posted that some of the residents of the suffering communities who came out and stood in the streets with placards and effectively stopped much of last nights rioting, decided to join the other side and pretend to be rioters, to make the situation look worse?

If my understanding is correct. Could this vague poster tell us which towns this occurred in. Come to that could they identify the country. Lots of countries are dealing with rioting at the moment : Bangladesh, Venezuela, Kenya these crossovers could have happened in any of them.

Thank goodness for that, I thought I was the only one! 😂😂

Great post RosiesMaw2

On the communities coming together (our the whole period of time, starting with the bewildered people in Southport cleaning up the day after murders and mayhem.

And the prompt responses

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

Well the fact that thugs turned up rather disproves that theory I think.

Here are our thugs from Brighton. The police kindly gave them a lift out if their frightening situation.

I can only tell you what he is saying WW.

If everyone stayed at home and didn’t post on the internet then they wouldn’t get into trouble however hard other people tried to incite them.

Galaxy

I can only tell you what he is saying WW.

True.

So much misinformation flying around isn’t there?

I thought it was Nick Knowles aswell. EDL SOS

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

Nobody is questioning the timing, I just find it hard if not impossible to imply the government is somehow complicit in a “false flag” exercise.
And I don’t think we or anybody should be spreading what is only gossip.

He has 42 thousand followers. I think the horse may have bolted so to speak.
Poor Nick Knowles though.

Nick Knowles by comparison has 170 thousand followers, so maybe he could lead a revolution of some sort.

RosiesMaw2

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

Nobody is questioning the timing, I just find it hard if not impossible to imply the government is somehow complicit in a “false flag” exercise.
And I don’t think we or anybody should be spreading what is only gossip.

Look out for vague hints where no references are given yet veiled accusations made!

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

FGS whitewavemark2 if everyone isn’t a Pollyanna about events, or they’re horrified that a Labour Councillor stands ranting to a crowd in the street about killing the far right then that’s fine by me.
It’s not all about skipping through the glitter and drag queens and poetry.
Of course the wave of violence will be over at some point but it’s what happens before we reach that point.

Oh dear has someone upset you?

Really you would be much better to ignore my posts as I constantly seem to irritate you.

I mange to ignore yours it’s quite easy. 😄😄👍👍

But unfortunately you don’t ignore my posts as you’ve just proved.
I wonder if you’ve ever read Mapp and Lucia? You’re def reminding me of Elizabeth Mapp here.
I find your naive comments on politics irritating it’s true but manage to contain myself mostly.
Because you start constant threads doesn’t entitle you to say how they then go.
I shall continue to either praise Starmer and Labour when they do things right and call them out when I think they’re wrong, I don’t go in for slavish partisanship.Starmer did right to curtail the riots by fast arrests and charging but still needs to address the elephant in the room, namely immigration.It will be just one term for Labour if they get it wrong.
I realise that for some their own political party is all singing and all dancing but they have to put up with the different views of others.
Do feel free to really ignore my comments if you choose.

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

That's how I understood it.

Why is he saying this though?

I find it odd that he has this knowledge, and the power to release it. He manages a charity.

Ignore me, I'm just too inquisitive

RosiesMaw2

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

Nobody is questioning the timing, I just find it hard if not impossible to imply the government is somehow complicit in a “false flag” exercise.
And I don’t think we or anybody should be spreading what is only gossip.

I saw it as conjecture.

Also interesting.

If it's not for you that's ok.

Oreo
I love that series. I have cd's to listen to in the car. Old school I know. Thanks for reminding me, I'll listen again tomorrow.

Wyllow3

RosiesMaw2

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

Nobody is questioning the timing, I just find it hard if not impossible to imply the government is somehow complicit in a “false flag” exercise.
And I don’t think we or anybody should be spreading what is only gossip.

Look out for vague hints where no references are given yet veiled accusations made!

Do you have a hint or reference that would be helpful Wyllow?

I know you're pretty efficient at showing links.

I think the more information one has the better, don't you?

What the bloody hell is this thread about?

Have I gone mad?

I think it’s some kind of doublespeak . I’ve given up: watching a depressing film on BBC2 instead…

LizzieDrip

What the bloody hell is this thread about?

Have I gone mad?

Glad it's not just me, I must be mad as well as I honestly don't know.

Far right, far left - they are all nasty ones and I wouldn’t give any of them the time of day. They all have violent tendencies, they all have hearing problems.

FWIW Nick Lowles isn't "far left". If you follow HopeNotHate, he reports on all kinds of extremism - far right and far left.

There are always accusations of "false flag" actions. I have no idea whether the list published was "false flag" or not. However, to make it clear, it's highly unlikely to have been the government behind it, but the government could have been the indirect target.

Extremists always know how to trigger extremists opposing them. In this case, the groups behind the riots would know that threatening mosques would bring out Muslim-supporting groups. Neither side has much faith in the police to keep order, so they take matters into their own hands. Nick Lowles and HopeNotHate are against such actions, which is why their message is always against extremism.

I don't know whether this was deliberately false flag or whether people have been deterred by the swift sentencing of people involved in previous riots. I tend to think that the "list" was genuine. It would certainly be consistent with Farage going round in a chauffeur-driven car pointing out hotels where asylum seekers are staying and the kind of actions Tommy Robinson (and others) have been involved with when they have targeted mosques.

The ultimate aim is the undermining of authority and a breakdown in law and order by creating chaos, confusion and fear. The hope would be that the police would be overwhelmed and the judiciary and prison system wouldn't be able to cope. Starmer and the government have shown that, so far at least, this isn't happening.

RosiesMaw2

Galaxy

It's about last night in particular I think. Nick lowles himself seems to be saying the information was false, the photos you are using were from the previous days.

Nobody is questioning the timing, I just find it hard if not impossible to imply the government is somehow complicit in a “false flag” exercise.
And I don’t think we or anybody should be spreading what is only gossip.

I agree with you. Accusations of "false flag" will further fuel dissent. Gossip can be as dangerous as direct action.

Incidentally, Lowles doesn't think that this was a co-ordinated false flag.

He writes: "Just to clarify, by hoax I’m meaning that the bloke simply compiled a list and hoped people would turn up, rather than being arranged by local people."

OP seems very confused. To suggest the government is behind the "false flag" operation is an amazing leap, not backed up by any evidence.

As for the 15 arrested on Wednesday evening which OP "supposes" are left wing, these arrests break down as follows:
Croydon 10
Waltham Forest 4
Hounslow 1

The disturbances in Croydon were unrelated to the current protests more an anti social behaviour issue. Of the remaining 5, no indication has been given which group they belong to.

This is a good example of how mischief is spread via social media.

Just seen there has been an arrest in Chester of a woman who posted inaccurate information about the identity of the suspect in the Southport murders. She was arrested on Thursday on suspicion of publishing written material to stir up racial hatred and false communications.

There need to be more arrests like this.