Labour……I really tried but have now given up!

Everyone opposes uncontrolled immigration, though, surely?

undines

Despite what people may say about our 'democracy' and this government having been 'voted in' the truth is we do not have true democracy. This government was elected by about a third of the people, and I'm willing to bet about half of them only wanted the Tories out. Now they are acting as if they have a massive mandate to do exactly what they want and the signs are very alarming. The people of Britain who want more control of immigration have no voice at all. People are seeing their communities destroyed and their compatriots sleeping in shop doorways, while some often dubious characters are welcomed and given housing and benefits, no question. This resentment is behind the recent unrest. Please note I DO NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE, before anyone screams 'fascist' at me. But it's not fair to brand as fascist anyone who objects to uncontrolled immigration. The facts, as always, can be hard to determine. But anyone who supports uncontrolled immigration and expects communities to open up and welcome crowds of single males (and yes, we are often not talking families, not talking actual refugees) should be prepared to have a hostel opened up next door, and see how they feel about young men from cultures that may be more brutal, roaming about, not integrating, and causing unease (at the least) to their own daughters and sons, and bringing down the value of their property into the bargain.

The point of our democratic voting system, flawed as it is, is that it’s the same one which gave Tories power for 14 years. I heard no one moaning about then!

I’ve heard no one, ever, not one person, state that they want uncontrolled immigration? Who would?

The really is weird strange thing is that “asylum seekers” make up 11% roughly of ALL immigration, and less than 2% of our overall population.

ReadyMeals

I say speed up processing so that those whose asylum application is valid can get a job to contribute to our economy and get on with their lives. Having working age people festering in run-down hotels for years is just asking for them to turn to other activities, out of boredom if nothing else.

Yes!

We would all love to live in Westminster, Kensington or Chelsea but we can’t.

What people describe as basic rights for newcomers are often denied to people who are already here.

Those seeking asylum should rightly have a place of safety, food, drink and local services like schools and medical care. This doesn’t mean an 3 bed flat in Pimlico! Obviously some cash for day to day needs.

They should be offered free language lessons to help them integrate- especially important so that children don’t have to translate. It also offers some safeguard to women who may be in abusive relationships.

Those simply wanting a better life should be directed to the best legal route and offered basic support until they can return to their home countries to apply by the normal routes.

If local people are in temporary housing for years I fail to see why newcomers can’t wait in the queue.

A while back I looked into living in the US for a year. The processes are extremely complex. This is the reality of immigration into any country.

JRTW2

We would all love to live in Westminster, Kensington or Chelsea but we can’t.

What people describe as basic rights for newcomers are often denied to people who are already here.

Those seeking asylum should rightly have a place of safety, food, drink and local services like schools and medical care. This doesn’t mean an 3 bed flat in Pimlico! Obviously some cash for day to day needs.

They should be offered free language lessons to help them integrate- especially important so that children don’t have to translate. It also offers some safeguard to women who may be in abusive relationships.

Those simply wanting a better life should be directed to the best legal route and offered basic support until they can return to their home countries to apply by the normal routes.

If local people are in temporary housing for years I fail to see why newcomers can’t wait in the queue.

A while back I looked into living in the US for a year. The processes are extremely complex. This is the reality of immigration into any country.

Once remain to leave is granted migrants have less chances of securing social housing than most Brits, not more.

They are placed in temp housing until their claim is processed.

Primrose53

Rayner has now come up with what she thinks is a brilliant plan - Operation Scatter.

She is going to scatter asylum seekers around the UK in former care homes, empty houses etc.

That’s Yvette Cooper, not Angela Rayner

OP, Labour have been in office for six weeks! I think your comments show more than a touch of short termism. Giving immigrants the right to apply for council housing does not mean they will be given it. They’ll have to wait until they qualify.

‘Once remain to leave is granted migrants have less chances of securing social housing than most Brits, not more.’

This really depends on where you live. In my area once you have been granted leave to remain, the council will allocate you a property within seven days. I know this because I work with the person who allocates the properties. They are offered three properties, one after the other, and if they don’t accept one they are then put on the waiting list. There are people who have been on the waiting list over ten years and will probably never be housed. The son and family of a colleague were told by the council to find their own private accommodation due to the long waiting list.

It's not what they are doing that annoys me it's the fact that they are doing exactly what they said they wouldn't do. They lied and they back tracked. On lots of things. They appear to be picking on the people that have no clout to go on strike or to make a protest about what's happening. I am fairly lucky in that I can probably manage to hold out for 5 years to see what happens but there's many pensioners that probably won't and will be pushed into a poverty where they are only just not eligible for pension credit. I personally know at least two in that situation.

Oreo

missdeke

I am not a fan of Starmer but to give him his due, he did say before the election that the mess that the Tories were leaving would take years to sort out. It seems that the financial situation was much worse than expected. Labour have to try and prioritise which things to try and sort out first as they can't possibly fix everything in one go. I will miss my fuel allowance but it not right that people who don't need certain benefits still receive everything. People who really need it will get it.

And some people, a lot, who really need it won’t now get it.
Incoming governments always say that the last lot left the country in a mess and hard up.A complete fiction whichever side says it.

missdeke Well - he would say that, wouldn't he?

Agree, agree!!

DiddyNan

‘Once remain to leave is granted migrants have less chances of securing social housing than most Brits, not more.’

This really depends on where you live. In my area once you have been granted leave to remain, the council will allocate you a property within seven days. I know this because I work with the person who allocates the properties. They are offered three properties, one after the other, and if they don’t accept one they are then put on the waiting list. There are people who have been on the waiting list over ten years and will probably never be housed. The son and family of a colleague were told by the council to find their own private accommodation due to the long waiting list.

I have also come across this situation.

Daughter, Son-in-law, child living with her Mother but on housing list. Allocated house - went to measure for carpet and curtains then told that it was withdrawn because of obligation to house immigrant family.

This is not right or fair and you can see where discontent with any Government is coming from.

Telford, Shrops fyi

Really!,,
So, some of you think and believe that immigrants are going to be given council houses.

They’ve all been sold of.

There just aren’t enough.

it was withdrawn because of obligation to house immigrant family

I don't think so.

I finally retired this year at 66, i was so disappointed to hear i will now not get the HA, I live alone and living on just a basic state pension , I tried for pension credits but was refused, things are going to get hard

But of course once they have a small mini mart that stays open all hours and a cheap as chips car wash run by said immigrants my experience is that they will probs shut up about it
So very true, but there are people who actually complain that such shops are all run by ‘foreigners’.

Well written ‘Undies ‘

DiddyNan

‘Once remain to leave is granted migrants have less chances of securing social housing than most Brits, not more.’

This really depends on where you live. In my area once you have been granted leave to remain, the council will allocate you a property within seven days. I know this because I work with the person who allocates the properties. They are offered three properties, one after the other, and if they don’t accept one they are then put on the waiting list. There are people who have been on the waiting list over ten years and will probably never be housed. The son and family of a colleague were told by the council to find their own private accommodation due to the long waiting list.

DaddyNan that’s exactly the situation on DGD and her fiancé are in, except they are living with parents.
Can’t go on the list unless parents chuck them out, then told they’d do better by finding their own private accommodation because the list is so long.

Whitewave
I totally agree with you. Way too early to make such sweeping criticism.
Let us just wait and see how things pan out and then decide!!

Cossy

ReadyMeals

I say speed up processing so that those whose asylum application is valid can get a job to contribute to our economy and get on with their lives. Having working age people festering in run-down hotels for years is just asking for them to turn to other activities, out of boredom if nothing else.

Yes!

Totally agree!

Wow, GN is very popular. Lots of new posters this evening

Welcome one and all

undines

Despite what people may say about our 'democracy' and this government having been 'voted in' the truth is we do not have true democracy. This government was elected by about a third of the people, and I'm willing to bet about half of them only wanted the Tories out. Now they are acting as if they have a massive mandate to do exactly what they want and the signs are very alarming. The people of Britain who want more control of immigration have no voice at all. People are seeing their communities destroyed and their compatriots sleeping in shop doorways, while some often dubious characters are welcomed and given housing and benefits, no question. This resentment is behind the recent unrest. Please note I DO NOT CONDONE VIOLENCE, before anyone screams 'fascist' at me. But it's not fair to brand as fascist anyone who objects to uncontrolled immigration. The facts, as always, can be hard to determine. But anyone who supports uncontrolled immigration and expects communities to open up and welcome crowds of single males (and yes, we are often not talking families, not talking actual refugees) should be prepared to have a hostel opened up next door, and see how they feel about young men from cultures that may be more brutal, roaming about, not integrating, and causing unease (at the least) to their own daughters and sons, and bringing down the value of their property into the bargain.

Well said undines.
What about all of the families living in squalid conditions in this country. All nationalities I add
I've seen it times on the news. Flat's, houses with walls and ceilings covered in mould. Water leaking out of the ceilings yet the councils reckon they have nowhere to rehome them but manage to find homes for illegal immigrants.
No wonder people in this country get angry. They come first in everything.
See a doctor at the drop of a hat, Dentist. Hospital treatment.
700 arrived yesterday.
It must cost millions and millions of pounds to keep them all.
No wonder they reckon there's no money but hey, lets target the pensioners. I wonder who will come under the hammer come the budget.

Sharon - “they” do not come first in everything, don’t see a doctor at the drop of a hat or come first in everything
Ok you’re another very angry, anti immigrant poster. At least try me post facts rather than untruths

The Jews obviously migrated they wanted a homeland and at the time most thought it was a good idea, it was and is a secular state.

Population is close to 10m 75% Jewish, plus 5m in Gaza and West Bank, the Arabs have attacked repeatedly over the decades and now are trying to destroy the state, do we really see any Jews wanting to stay there under Hamas rule.

Any volunteers for taking 7.5m Jewish refugees