Why do Asylum Seekers cross the channel on small boats

It is indisputable that immigration helps grow an economy, encourages innovation and brings in foreign investment.

It is also indisputable that there isn’t a single economy in the world that has not thrived without immigration.

Too many negatives! That should read that has thrived without immigration

LizzieDrip

^In the meanwhile Chestnut which are the first professions you suggest we restrict. Doctors? dentists? IT staff?^

Good question M0nica!

I'm not suggesting we restrict any professions. What a strange idea. It's in our interest to stick to those jobs we need filling. Although I'm not happy to be stealing qualified people from other countries who need them more than we do. I'd rather we trained our own people and not bring more people in. After all, 67 million should provide enough of a workforce. The other countries need these people and shouldn't be sending them here.
And yes, I know training people takes time and should have been done years ago. The whole system is failing and that's why we're called 'Broken Britain'.

Chestnut

Cossy However the “whole world” aren’t seeking asylum here, far far more immigrants come to this country via legal means.
Well as you can see from my map, people from all over the world are coming here, whether they are migrants or seeking asylum. It's simply not sustainable to have an endless flow of people entering the country.

I’m not looking at your map again, it tells precisely nothing.

Let’s agree to disagree.

I will state once again I’m not, and never have, advocated “endless immigration” or housing “the whole world”.

I live in a very multi cultural area, a large seaside location, lots of homeless, lots of hostels, lots of HMOs, normally no more trouble than any other very large town.

Chestnut

On this we can agree.

We are indeed Broken Britain, you and I simply don’t agree on the “why”, but I’m sure we all want better.

Whitewavemark2

It is indisputable that immigration helps grow an economy, encourages innovation and brings in foreign investment.

It is also indisputable that there isn’t a single economy in the world that has not thrived without immigration.

Fine, but don't you think 1.22 million new arrivals last year is enough? We had half a million leaving (who can blame them?) which makes net migration in 2023 of 685,000. Yet you keep wanting more as if it's never enough.

So, quick question, those against immigration to this country, are you against immigration of Brits from this Country?

Cossy

Chestnut

On this we can agree.

We are indeed Broken Britain, you and I simply don’t agree on the “why”, but I’m sure we all want better.

It's broken because we can't provide for those already here, so please don't tell me we need more people to not provide for.

Britain is not broken

The entire world is in a state of flux add in the numerous wars, along with the divisions between the haves and the have nots and it’s a perfect recipe for unrest and mass exodus of peoples.

Cossy, when people emigrate from this country, my understanding is that they either have to be able to prove they can support themselves or go through an application process to apply for jobs where there are skills shortages in the country they are applying to enter.

Anyway, we are all agreed that we are Broken Britain and hope for a better future for our grandchildren.

Cossy

Chestnut

Another 700 boat people arrived yesterday. One day!

It seems some of you just cannot see where this is leading. We don't have enough housing etc. to support those already here, so how can we provide for a continuous stream of new arrivals?

Can anyone who has posted in support of endless immigration answer that question please.

No can answer your question because no one on GN has ever ever supported “endless immigration”

Anyone who supports immigration (on this thread or elsewhere) does support 'endless' immigration. Because it is endless! Or maybe you can tell us exactly when it will end. Can you give us a date when you will no longer support immigration? If not then you do support 'endless' immigration.

Chestnut

Whitewavemark2

It is indisputable that immigration helps grow an economy, encourages innovation and brings in foreign investment.

It is also indisputable that there isn’t a single economy in the world that has not thrived without immigration.

Fine, but don't you think 1.22 million new arrivals last year is enough? We had half a million leaving (who can blame them?) which makes net migration in 2023 of 685,000. Yet you keep wanting more as if it's never enough.

Those entering the U.K. other than asylum seekers are usually doing so on visa and are being employed in areas where labour is in short supply.

I do not want more and more immigrants. I do however want immigration which meets our economic needs, as do all modern economies.

Immigration has clearly become a major issue with certain demographics - generally the older folk, and I do feel it needs addressing in order for the current climate to be addressed and the excuse for rioting stopped.

Meanwhile and unfortunately we have anti-immigration rhetoric being pushed on a daily basis. It is relentless and Reform and other individuals are responsible, for misinformation on an industrial scale and as we have seen incitement.

GrannyGravy13

Britain is not broken

The entire world is in a state of flux add in the numerous wars, along with the divisions between the haves and the have nots and it’s a perfect recipe for unrest and mass exodus of peoples.

I'm afraid people were labelling us Broken Britain years ago long before covid and the current wars, and even before the mass migration started. It was clear we were not coping 10 years ago.

Chestnut

GrannyGravy13

Britain is not broken

The entire world is in a state of flux add in the numerous wars, along with the divisions between the haves and the have nots and it’s a perfect recipe for unrest and mass exodus of peoples.

I'm afraid people were labelling us Broken Britain years ago long before covid and the current wars, and even before the mass migration started. It was clear we were not coping 10 years ago.

Way, way before that - remember the 1970s? Like all countries we go through peaks and troughs.

Immigration has clearly become a major issue with certain demographics - generally the older folk, and I do feel it needs addressing in order for the current climate to be addressed and the excuse for rioting stopped.
How can you address immigration apart from stopping it? Or reducing to 10s of thousands as was promised years ago. I think many people are upset by what they see with their own eyes, places which have sadly gone downhill when the demographics change. For some people this translates into anger, and it only takes one event to trigger violence.

Meanwhile and unfortunately we have anti-immigration rhetoric being pushed on a daily basis. It is relentless and Reform and other individuals are responsible, for misinformation on an industrial scale and as we have seen incitement.
Well unless people are actually lying they are not doing anything wrong. If they are simply drawing people's attention to the truth then that is the right thing to do. I'm sure you would agree with that as it swings both ways.

I agree Chestnut, it is the right thing to do.

Chesnut I don’t follow the logic of your argument.

You say that you don’t want to restrict any professions from entering the UK - indeed you say it’s ‘a strange idea’.

You quote numbers of migrants, which relate to legal migrants, coming here to work and contribute to the country. Earlier you’ve said you’re fine with; indeed (as above) a ‘strange idea’ to restrict them.

Then, in a later post you say “…please don't tell me we need more people to not provide for.”

People coming here, legally, to work will be providing for themselves; indeed, contributing to the country’s economy via tax.

So, who is it you don’t want?

Chestnut

^Immigration has clearly become a major issue with certain demographics - generally the older folk, and I do feel it needs addressing in order for the current climate to be addressed and the excuse for rioting stopped.^
How can you address immigration apart from stopping it? Or reducing to 10s of thousands as was promised years ago. I think many people are upset by what they see with their own eyes, places which have sadly gone downhill when the demographics change. For some people this translates into anger, and it only takes one event to trigger violence.

Meanwhile and unfortunately we have anti-immigration rhetoric being pushed on a daily basis. It is relentless and Reform and other individuals are responsible, for misinformation on an industrial scale and as we have seen incitement.
Well unless people are actually lying they are not doing anything wrong. If they are simply drawing people's attention to the truth then that is the right thing to do. I'm sure you would agree with that as it swings both ways.

I can assure you that because of the bit of my post that you failed to address even Reform would not stop immigration because of the reasons I have given, unless of course they are willing to see the U.K. economy contract at an alarming rate, which would mean their demise would occur pdq.

The truth is once again in the bit you failed to address.

No one is denying that people like yourself believe that immigration is an existential threat to the U.K.

But that doesn't mean you are right or that your belief is right for our economy

M0nica asked which are the first professions you suggest we restrict. Doctors? dentists? IT staff? to which I replied that I wasn't suggesting we restrict any particular professions. More important to choose those we want and refuse those we don't want surely?

That reply was to Lizziedrip.

Chestnut

M0nica asked which are the first professions you suggest we restrict. Doctors? dentists? IT staff? to which I replied that I wasn't suggesting we restrict any particular professions. More important to choose those we want and refuse those we don't want surely?

That’s what they do in Australia, together with assessing any criminal background and certain health problems before you are allowed a visa.

Their system is not perfect.

I don’t know about Australia - I was led to believe that it was populated by people or felons from the Uk in the early years of settlement by non natives. And look where that led …..

Someone posted this a while back. It just shows the sheer size of Australia. We're in there somewhere.

LizzieDrip

Chesnut I don’t follow the logic of your argument.

You say that you don’t want to restrict any professions from entering the UK - indeed you say it’s ‘a strange idea’.

You quote numbers of migrants, which relate to legal migrants, coming here to work and contribute to the country. Earlier you’ve said you’re fine with; indeed (as above) a ‘strange idea’ to restrict them.

Then, in a later post you say “…please don't tell me we need more people to not provide for.”

People coming here, legally, to work will be providing for themselves; indeed, contributing to the country’s economy via tax.

So, who is it you don’t want?

Some of the comments on this thread leave me speechless which is why I am indebted to Lizziedrip and others for their calmness in answering them. But, on the other hand, I feel that you are wasting your time because some posters will simply not read or listen to factual statistical information which is provided on this thread.
Thankyou anyway for trying.

Yes, and I believe somebody also posted this on that thread:

‘An estimated 40% of Australia is considered uninhabitable. That's because it's the second driest continent. 80% of Australians live in an area the size of England.’
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Australia is currently facing environmental challenges much greater than we are in the northern hemisphere.