Donald Trump's lies

Babs03

I never fail to be surprised and amused by Trump accusing Kamala of being a radical far left politician. Fact is there is no far left radical or otherwise in the US, it just doesn’t exist. The Republicans are right wing and the Democrats are less so.

True, the Republicans are very right wing indeed and the Democrats more like Conservatives here.

I would not say they are like the Conservatives, who aim to privatise public services and cut taxes for the rich.

I would say the US Democrats are more like our Liberal Democrats, Having said that I'm a LibDem and my favourite US politician is Bernie Sanders. who is considered on the left of the Democrats, but I am probably on the left of the LibDems.

I do not like him.

Trump is running for President so he can avoid prison time for his felonies. He is off his rocker and it’s surprising that there are people who would vote for a criminal. It’s a horrible mess.

Trump has mastered the art of appealing to the worst in people. The evangelist!

Like others before him he appeals to their innate fears, hates, stupidity and/or gullibility.

Thank you for the explanation regarding how the voting works in the US. It's not easy to understand at all. It makes our system seem so simple !

he DM reports that even the late Queen commneted on his rudeness. Shaking hands with her, but always looking over her shoulder to see if there was anyone else in the room he wanted to schmooze!

Apparently HM also remarked that Trump and his wife seemed to have an "arrangement"

Quokka

Trump has mastered the art of appealing to the worst in people. The evangelist!

Like others before him he appeals to their innate fears, hates, stupidity and/or gullibility.

Seems it's the Republican platform that appeals - they don't appear to care that he's an unpleasant sexist misogynistic old man with a orange squirrel on his bronze head. They want less taxes, less programs, less governmental control. Control over female reproduction is not a worry, nor Paris Agreement, or NATO - Republicans seem to value isolationism and lower governmental spending, lower taxes.

They all tell lies, some more so than others. I have no faith in politicians. They get elected and do what they want not what the people want.

RS and AC from The rest is politics was at the first day of the Democratic convention and have released a podcast on it. AC had read project 2025 whilst flying over to the US and the first half of the podcast was talking about that. Yup, it really reminded me of The Handmaids Tale! Thankfully, KH seems to be really rising to her new role and Trump seems unable to deal with her. If you go on the CNN website there's snatches of video from the first two days of the Convention which I found really interesting. Michelle and Barack Obama were very impressive!

See also the Kamala Harris thread, where the democratic convention and Trump related material also there. (yes, the CNN website is very good)

Also details of how the republicans/Trump attacking Harris including false AI imagery.

Oreo

Babs03

I never fail to be surprised and amused by Trump accusing Kamala of being a radical far left politician. Fact is there is no far left radical or otherwise in the US, it just doesn’t exist. The Republicans are right wing and the Democrats are less so.

True, the Republicans are very right wing indeed and the Democrats more like Conservatives here.

Watching the far left wing mob outside the Democrats assembly in Chicago, I beg to differ.
Singing the racist song about exterminating Jewish people, flying terrorists Hamas flags , wearing terrorist Hamas uniforms, guess they're happy with murder of the captured hostages by Hamas. Smashing barriers down.
The whole thing was obscene. That's the far left in America.
Funny though flying a lgbt flag next to a hamas flag, do they realise what would happen to them if Hamas got hold of them.
They don't even know which river they are talking about.
Such absolute ignoramuses.

Freya5

Oreo

Babs03

I never fail to be surprised and amused by Trump accusing Kamala of being a radical far left politician. Fact is there is no far left radical or otherwise in the US, it just doesn’t exist. The Republicans are right wing and the Democrats are less so.

True, the Republicans are very right wing indeed and the Democrats more like Conservatives here.

Watching the far left wing mob outside the Democrats assembly in Chicago, I beg to differ.
Singing the racist song about exterminating Jewish people, flying terrorists Hamas flags , wearing terrorist Hamas uniforms, guess they're happy with murder of the captured hostages by Hamas. Smashing barriers down.
The whole thing was obscene. That's the far left in America.
Funny though flying a lgbt flag next to a hamas flag, do they realise what would happen to them if Hamas got hold of them.
They don't even know which river they are talking about.
Such absolute ignoramuses.

Were they as obscene as the far right were when they stormed Capitol Freya5? Politics is a lot more extreme in the US whichever side they support, but comparing the show in Chicago today to that would surely be ludicrous?

I’m not sure how being a shouting supporter of the free Palestine / support Hamas makes anyone ‘far left’.

Nor I.

I have no great regards for the americans but the thought that people could actually vote for this appalling lying, lunatic who thinks that the centre of the universe is himself, is just cringing, but a definite possibility. God help us all if he gets in.

The point about the demonstrations was that they were outside the convention, and what they were demanding is not Democratic Party Policy, which has quite centrist views as has been pointed out.

To listen to what the Democrats do stand for, there are many good videos and commentary on CNN.

To get a better sense of Trump's wild accusations of the "Commie" Democrats, a US acquaintance wrote:

"Bear in mind when Republicans throw around accusations of a Democrat being a “commie” is that virtually all politicians here are rather more right wing than any left leaning politician in the UK,

and the Democrats as a whole would probably fit between the Lib Dem’s and the Conservatives in the UK.

There are outliers, eg the so-called Squad of progressive Democrats, and Elizabeth Warren, who are more to the left, but, to be honest, even they would probably fit on the more moderate end of the Labour Party.

There’s good old Bernie Saunders, of course, who is truly left wing - he’s also not actually a Democrat, although he votes with them - but if you picked up the rest of the party ......they would probably find their home among those parties which would be described as centre -right.

Mmm not sure about that, the Democrats are more extreme than the UK on some issues, I am not sure it's about left and right, more their obsession with identity politics. It's so depressing and divisive from both sides.

Actual policy speeches at the conference have focussed (Obama for example) on health care, affordable housing, food prices, and other similar issues: there are "identity politics" in matters of race and being female in the Trump/Vance attacks.

Galaxy

Mmm not sure about that, the Democrats are more extreme than the UK on some issues, I am not sure it's about left and right, more their obsession with identity politics. It's so depressing and divisive from both sides.

To our UK eyes, I agree. It is as foreign a country as any other, and defining the way politics operates there as a comparison with the UK is not possible really. However, there is a huge difference between demonstrations outside the Democrat conference, and the most extreme of Trump’s supporters, who in many cases are far right, in that they don’t respect any laws, attempting to overturn the seat of democracy by force.

Yes Barrack Obama has generally always avoided identity politics, Michelle's speech was full of it. America is fascinating in some ways.

My contact also reminded me - "What you need to remember with American politics is that the federal government - and even more so the President - has very little influence at all over our daily lives.

Our state governors, and state assemblies, are almost completely in charge of the day to day affairs which really affect us"

Thank goodness we dont have white nationalist/supremacist groups, gun toting and sometimes buying up tracts of land and declaring them outside the US. laws.

Here's a list and descriptions of the groups and the kind of actions they take

www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/ideology/white-nationalist