Two Questions

I don’t blame immigrants, presumably you mean asylum seekers, for the state of our country.It doesn’t help the finances of the country tho does it? We need to feed and house them and if hundreds arrive daily that’s a lot in a year.
Asylum seekers have a right to ask for asylum of course, but if their claims are processed properly there will be loads found to be economic migrants who should be swiftly deported.I think the past government has just been accepting of claims in order to get the numbers down, so am hoping Labour will do the right thing going forward.
I don’t say give them a room in your house so can’t answer that one.

That’s 5 questions! 🤣🤣🤣

One of the issues is that there is already a dire shortage of decent, affordable housing for so many people - natives included - already here.

Given the latest landlord scandal regarding the new Labour MP I look forward to a robust response from KS and the party generally. Housing is supposed to be a priority for the new Labour government - it will bode very ill if he’s allowed to remain as an MP, having flouted regulations and evidently seriously shirked his duties as a landlord.

I didn’t blame immigrants for this countries state of affairs. Just pointed out that it is costing British tax payers a fortune on a daily basis.

Money that could be better spent looking after our own. We have given more than our fair share of help over the years. Enough is enough now.

Poppyred

I didn’t blame immigrants for this countries state of affairs. Just pointed out that it is costing British tax payers a fortune on a daily basis.

Money that could be better spent looking after our own. We have given more than our fair share of help over the years. Enough is enough now.

Poppyred you had better get your tin hat on! 🤣.

You are not allowed to say ”our own” on here.

I agree withyou💯 though

Cossy
Have You?

Well I have met several young male Afghan refugees, our friends housed them.

Two went on to University, one is probably in jail by now (he stole from our friends, into drugs, alcohol etc), the others they lost contact with.

Some of their stories were horrific, some just wanted to live in England were everything is good

Those aren't really sensible questions. They don't address the actual issue which is the particularly high rate of incoming people. It is the rate of influx that causes problems, not the fact that non-native people want to live here.

I have never heard anyone speaking against asylum seekers or against helping them as such.

Oh, and the state of the country is government's fault. The last government and the current one if it doesn't sort stuff out.

There often seems to be confusion about the terms asylum seekers, refugees and immigrants.

Who are we discussing here, please, Cossy?

Many of them have trades and useful skills. A system should have been put in place years ago to allow them to work while waiting for their claims to be processed.

People complain about asylum seekers being a cause of delays in the health system. But they are usually young and in general don't need much health care. It us oldies who are clogging up the system and, as discussed in the thread about prescriptions, are using the most medicines.

Have you lost a family member to a knife attack, or nursed a child who suffered one Cossy?

Think my question is daft or ineffectual?

So was yours.

My real question to you is why do you think people don't consider this topic as deeply as I presume you do?

I don't blame those who come here legally or otherwise.

I blame our gov., either party (name your poison).
For being enamored with one world government, and forcing the populous to go along with it.

And yes I have close links with families born elsewhere.

I also volunteered for a charity which helped new families and their children get settled here.

I still think too many people is just too many people.

It us oldies who are clogging up the system and, as discussed in the thread about prescriptions, are using the most medicines

It is "us oldies" who have paid into the system for decades. Whereas people who arrived yesterday were already in debt to the Britich taxpayer for the money, time and effort that it cost to fish them out of the sea, process and house them. Rather than "allowing" them to work we should require them to earn their keep from day one. There are crops to be picked, beaches and rivers to clean up and rubbish to be recycled. Let them prove their good intentions before granting them right to remain.

biglouis

*It us oldies who are clogging up the system and, as discussed in the thread about prescriptions, are using the most medicines*

It is "us oldies" who have paid into the system for decades. Whereas people who arrived yesterday were already in debt to the Britich taxpayer for the money, time and effort that it cost to fish them out of the sea, process and house them. Rather than "allowing" them to work we should require them to earn their keep from day one. There are crops to be picked, beaches and rivers to clean up and rubbish to be recycled. Let them prove their good intentions before granting them right to remain.

That deserves Post Of The Day biglouis. 👏👏👏

Just read both of your posts Baggs.
I agree wholeheartedly.

Also you were far more eloquent than I 😄

Consider me flattered, Nams 😂

One of your sentences particularly resonated with me: "My real question to you is why do you think people don't consider this topic as deeply as I presume you do?"
The apparent assumptions in the OP are unfairly negative towards other thinking people who do care about genuine asylum seekers.

biglouis

*It us oldies who are clogging up the system and, as discussed in the thread about prescriptions, are using the most medicines*

It is "us oldies" who have paid into the system for decades. Whereas people who arrived yesterday were already in debt to the Britich taxpayer for the money, time and effort that it cost to fish them out of the sea, process and house them. Rather than "allowing" them to work we should require them to earn their keep from day one. There are crops to be picked, beaches and rivers to clean up and rubbish to be recycled. Let them prove their good intentions before granting them right to remain.

Legally AS are not granted a work visa until they have been processed, as someone who worked with them I know that the majority are desperate to work, also we give out study visas more easily than work visas so many pretend they are coming to study when they really want to work. It can take years to process an AS during which time many get work on the black market, paid a pittance to work long hours. Otherwise all they get are food vouchers or £30 a week.
The whole process is not fit for purpose, previous governments realised this but did nothing about it, hopefully this government will do more.
The vast majority who are successfully processed do go on to work hard, many doing more than one job, and contribute to this country in the way you mentioned.
My DH came over to the UK in the early 1970s, he worked jobs that many others wouldn’t countenance, studied in his spare time to become a teacher and finally made the grade. He worked as a teacher for over 30 years, retiring 8 years ago, did a brief stint as a councillor and worked as a football coach for many years with disadvantaged kids. I think he repaid his debt. And he isn’t alone, we know many others who did the same.
To suggest they are all money grabbing wasters who should be grateful for being fished out of the sea is as incorrect as it is obscene.
Some escaping wars or cruel regimes are actually educated and hard working people who had to leave everything behind.

I’m getting so tired of immigrants being blamed for our country’s state of affairs!

Immigrants are not being blamed for our country's state of affairs. The number of immigrants arriving, legal and illegal, is one of the huge problems facing this country, and some of Europe, at this time.

Baggs 👍

Interesting post Babs03.

Primrose53

That’s 5 questions! 🤣🤣🤣

It’s two main questions, which have parts 😂😂😂😂

Allira

There often seems to be confusion about the terms asylum seekers, refugees and immigrants.

Who are we discussing here, please, Cossy?

Given all the negative comments about “too many people here” I guess I mean all of them.

lemsip

Cossy
*Have You?*

Have I what?

Met an asylum seeker? Yes a good few as I worked on a team working directly with them, both prior to their claims being processed and afterwards.

I’ve read parts of International law.

Offered a room to a veteran? No!

I’ve lobbied my MP on several related issues.

I’ve done shedloads of voluntary work over the years to “help our own” as some people like to put it!