Hezbollah Exploding Pagers!

eggplant

M0nica

eggplant the very topics we should always discuss are the ones that are the most unpleasant and difficult, because those are the topics that, literally, mean life and death to somany people aand could also eventually be life or death to us.

We discuss from the comfort of our homes or holiday location after a quick flick through the papers.

It's an insult really to families involved. Better to remain silent.

You may discuss these issues that way, but do not assume everybody does.

Babs I think Lebanon has 1.5 million Syrian refugees, as well as many Palestinians from previous wars, it’s a small country and as you say, really struggling.
I remember Beirut used to be termed the Paris of the east.

No it's not better to remain silent. Speaking or on here writing, is how we think, it is not better not to think.

silverlining48

Babs I think Lebanon has 1.5 million Syrian refugees, as well as many Palestinians from previous wars, it’s a small country and as you say, really struggling.
I remember Beirut used to be termed the Paris of the east.

DH went there before any of the troubles began and said it was beautiful.

Yes it must have been a lovely city if they compared it to Paris

silverlining48

Yes it must have been a lovely city if they compared it to Paris

Visited it many years ago and is compared to Paris because of the French quarter, a large part of Beirut has amazing French architecture and French cuisine dating back obvs to colonial times. And is a promenade along the med in Beirut called The Corniche, which could rival any riviera in Europe. People tend to define countries by their more recent struggles but countries like Lebanon, Iran, and Syria are breathtakingly beautiful countries with ordinary people populating them who, like us, just want a peaceful life.

Babs03

My thoughts, as well as being with innocent Palestinians, and innocent Israelis waiting for news of hostages, are with Lebanon. Poor Lebanon. Politically the country is a mess, it suffered years of sectarian unrest and a civil war aided by Israel that nearly decimated the whole country, and is presently bankrupt with people unable to use more than a couple of hours electricity a day and often without water. They also play host to hundreds of thousands of refugees from Syria, some estimate a million. And we complain!
This is a conflict they could very much do without and as usual western countries will do nothing to help and Arab countries hogtied to western governments will do nothing to help either. First a third world strip of land that some Arabs refer to as a prison - Gaza - subjected to untold horrors, and now Lebanon.
And meanwhile Israel, western governments, and Iran, play the same old geopolitical games.
Is beyond contemptible.

Lebanon has been very unfortunate in its governments, governance and factions, including Hezbollah, embedded everywhere in that country for a very long time.
Israel is not playing geopolitical games, it’s fighting to maintain its position in the corner of the middle east surrounded by Arab countries which are hostile to Jews and want to eradicate Israel completely.
Lebanon have been constantly shelling Israel and hamas representing Gaza broke into Isreal last October and did what they did, I won’t detail it as we all know by now the murderous hell they unleashed.Israel will always defend itself, quite rightly.

Amazing how they managed to carry it out, unfortunately there was collateral damage

Israel has every right to defend itself, but because of where it is in the Middle East it is also a base for huge arms investment by especially the US to fight against Iran and its influence in the area. Not US soldiers on the ground anymore, but war by proxy.

Germany has also historically supplied a large % of arms to Israel.
However within Western countries there are ? about the use of the arms in Gaza and the West Bank.

Looking at very recent news from Germany for example

"BERLIN, Sept 19 (Reuters) - Germany has put a hold on new exports of weapons of war to Israel while it deals with legal challenges, according to a Reuters analysis of data and a source close to the Economy Ministry.

A source close to the ministry cited a senior government official as saying it had stopped work on approving export licences for arms to Israel due to legal and political pressure from legal cases arguing that such exports from Germany breached humanitarian law.

Meanwhile, China and Russia continue to sell arms to Iran, who then supply such as hamas and hezbollah to do their own dirty work.

And Israel continue their final solution of the Palestinians…..60 + years in the making,years of misery and appalling treatment for people who weren’t ASKED if they were agreeable to a NEW Israeli STATE before it was foisted on them by ….well us!
Shame on the west for causing this mess and the ongoing genocide of a peaceful people

Yes: I think thats probably why it is described as geo-political when you add up all the different interests in the area. Competing interests and alliances.

Oh - so intractable, as people suffer on the ground

paddyann54

And Israel continue their final solution of the Palestinians…..60 + years in the making,years of misery and appalling treatment for people who weren’t ASKED if they were agreeable to a NEW Israeli STATE before it was foisted on them by ….well us!
Shame on the west for causing this mess and the ongoing genocide of a peaceful people

It’s not Israel threatening to exterminate Arabs, it’s Hamas threatening to exterminate Israelis. Or had you missed that?

As for Jewish migration to the Holy Land, Britan got the poisoned chalice of administering it after WW1, a secular state was planned but Arabs never accepted that.

Would it be fair to suggest it may be the Drama triangle playing out in a hideous way some how?

It was troubled from the outset David tho as Balfour had promised a Jewish homeland in 1917 and there was increasing immigration into the area

"During the Mandate, the area saw successive waves of Jewish immigration and the rise of nationalist movements in both the Jewish and Arab communities. Competing interests of the two populations led to the 1936–1939 Arab revolt in Palestine and the 1944–1948 Jewish insurgency in Mandatory Palestine."
(wiki).

In the end the British ended up as armed peacekeepers subject to attacks from both sides.

(not making any major point here as regards the O/T, except to show just how long term the hostilities have lasted between groups still at war)

Coming out of WW2 Britain had no enthusiasm for peacekeeping in Palestine all the colonies were wanting independance, Palestine was bottom of a very long list of priorities.

Sadly PEOPLE are always at the end of the list for “British” Governments as seen all across the old empire …Israel has been the aggressor for over 60 years check out the facts or don’t you think stealing peoples land and throwing them out of their homes is aggression? would YOU be happy if it happened to you?

Mt61

Amazing how they managed to carry it out, unfortunately there was collateral damage

Lebanon has not been constantly shelling Israel Hezbola is doing the shelling . The people of Lebanon are powerless to stop them it is not their conflict . Iran is behind them as well .

I agree with everything Granny gravy has said. Don't mess with Israel

Settling of Palestinian land is a continuing problem and should stop and even reversed but it is not the cause of the war in Gaza.
Hamas has been utterly defeated but will not give up control of Gaza the only weapon they have is propaganda. Until Hamas give up control and leave Palestinians will continue to suffer, is that going to be months, years or decades

Hezbolah has been greatly handicapped by the recent Israeli attacks, Israel has now moved its entire assault army north and is quite capable of clearing northern Lebanon of Hezbolah weapons. Longer range rockets will be harder to stop but Israeli airpower can reach all of Lebanon easily.

This is the price of extremism, attack your neighbour and he will hit back, and 10 or 20 times as many deaths will result, you may say they are martyrs, martyrs to Iran?.

Sarnia I would think that Israel has enough to be going on with at the moment without inciting Hezbollah

Hezbollah didn't need "inciting" - they've been firing rockets into Israel for a very long time. You make it sound as if Hezbollah are innocents in all this.

Floradora9

Mt61

Amazing how they managed to carry it out, unfortunately there was collateral damage

Lebanon has not been constantly shelling Israel Hezbola is doing the shelling . The people of Lebanon are powerless to stop them it is not their conflict . Iran is behind them as well .

So many people seem to forget this.

so they do.

This is one of the most informative and wide ranging very readable article on the Israeli decisions in Lebanon I've seen.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c93pg1qpxxzo

Sickening!