Oops! Sir Keir drops a massive 45 points in the opinion polls.

albertina

I cried tears of joy when KS gave that speech outside Number 10. Initially I was prepared to lose my heating allowance if it helped the country get back on its feet.
Since then I have had second thoughts. I am always behind with my gas and electricity bills ,I am cold a lot of the time after having a bad go with covid. The more I thought about it
the angrier I have become. I am a lifelong Labour voter, but when they start grabbing for money from elderly folk like this, it's the last straw.

I am the same.

I think this was bound to happen - press and other media - waiting to pounce and the banana skins thick on the floor.

There is something irritatingly holier than thou about KS which makes his mistakes particularly gleeful for his detractors but they need not be exaggerated for all that.

If he can stop parading doom and gloom, and making us feel that the black hole is all our fault, and concentrate instead on putting forth hard policies we may start getting somewhere.

there is something irritatingly holier than thou about KS

Yes, indeed there is.

Purplepixie

albertina

I cried tears of joy when KS gave that speech outside Number 10. Initially I was prepared to lose my heating allowance if it helped the country get back on its feet.
Since then I have had second thoughts. I am always behind with my gas and electricity bills ,I am cold a lot of the time after having a bad go with covid. The more I thought about it
the angrier I have become. I am a lifelong Labour voter, but when they start grabbing for money from elderly folk like this, it's the last straw.

I am the same.

And me

Free Gear Kier …… I’m sure his retirement pot will be well stockpiled ……

eggplant

TakeThat7

I've just spend hours today tying to get home from Blackpool on the train Yet again train after train being cancelled Pretty routine these days and very dangerous part of the journey spent on the one train ruñning a bit of the way and so overcrowded but mums and babies and toddlers risking being crushed Apparently drivers don't want to do overtime When are labour going to do something useful like get new drivers to work weekends

Oh yes indeed, that is all the fault of Labour.

( irony)

There was no milk this morning and I can still smell last night's tea in the house. My sandals are worn out, I can't decide if it's boot weather yet.

I blame Labour.

Not Brexit then?

I blame whoever voted for him! Labour always please the unions first aswehave already seen. Leopard never changes it's spots!

Mojack26

I blame whoever voted for him! Labour always please the unions first aswehave already seen. Leopard never changes it's spots!

No, but it changes its clothes. It prefers designer now to good old M+S

Mojack26

Leopard never changes its spots!

maddyfour

No, but it changes its clothes. It prefers designer now to good old M+S.

Preferably freely given to himself and his family.

I blame tactical voting. Many people voted Labour because they believed they can't be worse than the Tories.

It seems it doesn't seem to matter what or the value of any gift sorry, donation, accepted as long as it's declared if over £300. I woukd have been sacked if I accepted eg a box of chocolates, half a dozen homegrown tomatoes from local authority clients.

Casdon Just like the 6,500 teachers to help cope with the influx from the fee paying schools due to vat come January.

Doodledog , you sound rather critical of some other Gransnetters and not very understanding of their very real concerns.
Surely you can see that the ruthless ( in my opinion) RR is in such a short time showing herself to be keen to make a name for herself at whatever cost whilst she seems smug and almost enjoying inflicting misery.
RR of course remains cosseted from the impact of her actions as are others in the cabinet.
I feel saddened that the Labour Party are proving so soon to be the nasty , uncaring and dishonest party.
Hopefully before too long Keir Starmer will be toppled, but who to replace him ? It’s all very depressing.

4allweknow

Casdon Just like the 6,500 teachers to help cope with the influx from the fee paying schools due to vat come January.

Which isn’t going to happen, is it. It will be a gradual process.

Well the good news is that Labour MP Connor Rand is a typical MP (of any party).
Asked a simple question on tonight’s news, he answered the question he wished he’d been asked.

“ He was voted in by a massive majority …. be careful what you wish for”

He has got a massive parliamentary majority yes, but SK was elected by 32% odd per cent of the electorate on a low turnout, a very low percentage of voters.

SK got in on fewer votes than were cast by Labour voters for Jeremy Corbyn.

The election result was as it is because many Conservatives voters either stayed at home or voted for Reform and where polling showed this was likely to happen the left capitalised and threw resources into nabbing the seat by, often, small minorities.

Conservative voters were extremely displeased at the way the Conservative government had abandoned its Conservative principles.

Pippa22

Doodledog , you sound rather critical of some other Gransnetters and not very understanding of their very real concerns.
Surely you can see that the ruthless ( in my opinion) RR is in such a short time showing herself to be keen to make a name for herself at whatever cost whilst she seems smug and almost enjoying inflicting misery.
RR of course remains cosseted from the impact of her actions as are others in the cabinet.
I feel saddened that the Labour Party are proving so soon to be the nasty , uncaring and dishonest party.
Hopefully before too long Keir Starmer will be toppled, but who to replace him ? It’s all very depressing.

What makes you think that? I'm not sure who I have criticised, and I do understand people's concerns. I have concerns of my own. One of them is that the right wing press is persuading people that Bad Things will happen and people are believing it without finding out the facts or waiting to see. Another is that bots are posting disinformation all over the Internet.

If you link to where I've said whatever it is, I'll answer, but I've hardly contributed to this thread, so I'm at a bit of a loss.

4allweknow

Casdon Just like the 6,500 teachers to help cope with the influx from the fee paying schools due to vat come January.

This is pure media fuelled nonsense.

State schools' admissions have been falling for some time as the birth rate has dropped. There will be plenty of spaces available in the unlikely event of an 'influx' from private schools.

schoolsweek.co.uk/pupil-number-forecast-revised-up-but-steep-decline-still-expected/

I have concerns of my own. One of them is that the right wing press is persuading people that Bad Things will happen and people are believing it without finding out the facts or waiting to see. Another is that bots are posting disinformation all over the Internet

Doodledog these are my concerns too … and IMO they are the most worrying issues we face today. People are being indoctrinated (not saying all but a significant number)!

Oh dear, never mind, he deserves it

Or, perhaps it is you who are being indoctrinated.

EEJit

Oh dear, never mind, he deserves it

Who?

eazybee

Or, perhaps it is you who are being indoctrinated.

Who?

Both of you.

Eazybee indoctrinated by whom?