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Trump's anti-Semitism

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Wyllow3 Mon 23-Sept-24 10:28:48

"During an event held by the Israeli-American Council on Thursday, he brought up losing, and suggested that any such loss would partly be the fault of Jewish voters.

"Do they know what the hell is happening if I don't win this election?" he said, according to various media reports. "And the Jewish people would have to do a lot with that if that happens because at 40% [support] that means 60% of the people are voting for the enemy."

The comments were condemned by the Harris campaign and by the nonpartisan American Jewish Committee and Anti-Defamation League.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj9ekdvxx2o

Its not a first.

missdeke Tue 24-Sept-24 12:22:59

I never make a point of listening to Trump but accasionally catch interviews and news on the TV where I hear him speak. Quite frankly I think he's on his way to dementia, the things he comes out with are so bizarre and certainly don't come from a sane person.

Wyllow3 Tue 24-Sept-24 12:51:55

Have no fears - Trump is going to be a Protector of Women. Last night -

"Donald Trump has claimed he will be a "protector" of women if he wins the presidency in November.

The Republican presidential nominee was speaking at a rally in Pennsylvania on Monday night when he said:

"I make this statement to the great women of our country... I am your protector. I want to be your protector. As president, I have to be your protector."

He also said how, under his presidency, women "will no longer be thinking about abortion."

www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vs-harris-debate-live-190426328.html

Milest0ne Tue 24-Sept-24 13:20:57

Wyllow3

Have no fears - Trump is going to be a Protector of Women. Last night -

"Donald Trump has claimed he will be a "protector" of women if he wins the presidency in November.

The Republican presidential nominee was speaking at a rally in Pennsylvania on Monday night when he said:

"I make this statement to the great women of our country... I am your protector. I want to be your protector. As president, I have to be your protector."

He also said how, under his presidency, women "will no longer be thinking about abortion."

www.yahoo.com/news/trump-vs-harris-debate-live-190426328.html

Is he going to A/. educate men on sexual matters.
B/ offer free vasectomies
C /free sterilisation for women
D/ free sewing kits to sew up mens trousers hmm

Philippa111 Tue 24-Sept-24 13:27:25

Trump is poisonous. If he gets into power again that is the end of the world as we know it.
He and Putin are the most destructive forces on this planet.

Baggs Tue 24-Sept-24 13:36:13

I don't understand why what Trump said, as reported in the BBC article, is anti-semitic. When he spoke of "the enemy" who did he mean? I didn't read that as the enemy being Jews.

Also, Wyllow, could you say what other anti-semitism Trump has shown. It might help me understand.

Baggs Tue 24-Sept-24 13:42:21

My interpretation is that Trump thinks, rightly or wrongly, that the Democratic Party in the US is anti-Israel. If that is what he thinks then it makes sense, from his point of view, to say that a vote for the Dems is a vote for the enemy if he is pro-Israel.

Baggs Tue 24-Sept-24 13:50:08

Just did a "Trump and Israel" search and it does indeed appear that Trump is pro-Israel. This suggests to me that, at he sees it, the Democrats are anti-Israel and his comments make sense – again, from that point of view.

Whatever this is, I don't see it as anti-semitic.

Oreo Tue 24-Sept-24 13:52:43

It wasn’t.

Wyllow3 Tue 24-Sept-24 13:56:01

Baggs, I was pointing out that the remarks were seriously anti-semitic and that he is perfectly aware - or should be - of the anti semitism in the USA.

Yes, "the enemy" he alludes to are those people of Jewish origin who don't totally agree with him on Israel. (Its all in the references I gave on the first page)

But in posting, I regarded the cross party statement on his remarks by the nonpartisan American Jewish Committee as key to critiquing those remarks out as anti semitic: to repeat:

""Whoever a majority of the Jewish community votes for, Jews – roughly 2 percent of the U.S. population – cannot and should not be blamed for the outcome of the election. Setting up anyone to say “we lost because of the Jews” is outrageous and dangerous. Thousands of years of history have shown that scapegoating Jews can lead to antisemitic hate and violence."

Wyllow3 Tue 24-Sept-24 14:07:15

If anyone can access tis article in the Washington Post it gives a really full background

www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/10/17/trump-history-antisemitic-tropes/

Baggs Tue 24-Sept-24 14:11:02

Whoever a majority of the Jewish community votes for, Jews – roughly 2 percent of the U.S. population – cannot and should not be blamed for the outcome of the election. Setting up anyone to say “we lost because of the Jews” is outrageous

This certainly makes sense.

Baggs Tue 24-Sept-24 14:15:55

But I still don't think saying that voting for the Dems (enemies of Israel as Trump sees it) is "blaming the Jews" if Harris wins on election day.

He's blaming anyone who votes Democrat, a very small percentage of whom will be Jewish.

Baggs Tue 24-Sept-24 14:16:38

Going to check out the WP article now....

Wyllow3 Tue 24-Sept-24 14:22:35

Well yes, he's flinging out accusations in any direction possible. Eating cats and dogs....he's just accused Zelensky of supporting the Democrats (breaking news), blames the Democrats for the assassination attempts, etc.

Baggs Tue 24-Sept-24 14:26:27

Right. The long and the short of it is (a) that I'm not well versed in tortuous anti-semitic tropes, and (b) Trump does himself no favours when talking politics.

Not sure Harris does either.

God save America!

Tanjamaltija Tue 24-Sept-24 17:42:52

Brass neck is what he has. www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/trump-preemptively-blames-jews-if-he-loses-in-november-accusing-them-of-voting-for-the-enemy/ar-AA1qVihC?ocid=BingNewsSerp

Wyllow3 Tue 24-Sept-24 20:52:58

The link doesn't seem to work?