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I feel and think the same nellflanders , many threads on this,
Hamas were forced into this action is a belief some hold

Yet Israel carries on killing innocent women and children to keep hold of a small amount of land.

Violence against the innocent can never be justified whoever perpetrates it.

The mosaic law demands an eye for an eye, which just makes everyone blind.

I wept

Hamas are 100% responsible for the current situation.

It is so close to home as our AC were regular festival goers, some now go to family friendly ones.

I saw this was being aired, and chose not to watch it. The news reports at the time were bad enough to see. The whole situation seems quite insane to me. Utterly appalling on both sides.

skunkhair63

I saw this was being aired, and chose not to watch it. The news reports at the time were bad enough to see. The whole situation seems quite insane to me. Utterly appalling on both sides.

All war is appalling, innocent lives lost.

I abhor terrorists and all forms of terrorism.

keepingquiet the retaliation by Israel in Gaza is not about wanting the land it’s about wanting to rid it of hamas !
Israel’s hand was forced by the terrible crimes of hamas invading and murdering families and young men and women at a music festival plus anyone else at all they could get their hands on.
If anyone thinks the footage from the music festival was bad they should see ( or rather shouldn’t) the footage from the houses and gardens of all the families murdered including young children and babies in cots. Where this has been shown to journalists they have all broken down in tears.

Little ones taken from their cots and raped , no matter they were Israelis

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Hamas deserves all they get from the Israelis. They are murderous thugs, the lot of them and they love to portray themselves as the victims by putting women and children in the line of fire.

I support Israel in everything they’re doing to eradicate Hamas and Hezbollah.
Nothing can excuse the actions of those heathens that night.

I absolutely agree with you, nellflanders. The attack appalled me at the time and the film was horridly compulsive; recently, of the hostages executed just before their rescue, one woman was found to weigh five and a half stone, because she had been starved, recognised as torture.

Israel retaliates; it does not rush into print with harrowing pictures and dubious numbers of the dead as Gaza and now Hezbollah do. It is desperately fighting for its survival in a bloody war and if it is overcome, as some in the west seem to want, the entire region will become the domain of terrorists.

I don’t see that Israel will stop fighting - in fact, the situation is steadily worsening and widening out. I don’t think Lammy has any credibility with Israel so any UK influence has gone.
Just watched a pro Palestinian YouTube video. - yes a lot of justified emotion about the loss of life but when will the penny drop that even more deaths are certain? If 40000 deaths are too many now, how do 500000 appear? It’s beyond tragic.

These conflicts are started and controlled wholly by men, who always seem unable to resist the use of bloody, brute force to 'resolve' an issue.

And no prizes for guessing who inevitably suffers the worst and who has to pick up the shattered pieces and try to mend things.

I haven’t seen the documentary. I’m surprised that the understandable concerns about the Palestinian people seem to have led to anger at ordinary Israelis, even Jewish people across the world
ronib - can you name a world leader, or British politician that has ‘credibility with Israel”? Netanyahu is beyond influence. If he was open to reason, it’s possible a ceasefire could have been achieved. I acknowledge Hamas is a lethal terrorist organisation but something has to happen if the war isn’t to spread even further

Iam64 I don’t know if David Cameron had a good working relationship with Netanyahu but the conflict seems to be spreading like wildfire.

All I see is death and destruction on both sides and this will carry on. I will never support any war as it's always the innocent who suffer most while the leaders of both sides are kept safe.

Listening to Jeramy Bowen on Radio 4.
He almost inferred that Hezbollah would love to find a way to get out of this without saving face.
I bet they do. They had no idea what horror Israel would subject them too.
That being said, I’m not surprised. They had a leader who thought it was a good idea to replace apple iPhones with pagers and walky talkies.

nanna8

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Hamas deserves all they get from the Israelis. They are murderous thugs, the lot of them and they love to portray themselves as the victims by putting women and children in the line of fire.

Hamas do, but do the ordinary people of Palestine? Citizens, civilians, children and babies?

It’s an appalling shocking situation on both sides, I don’t blame ANY Israeli citizen ever, but I hold their govt to account.

It’s not just about wiping out Hamas, it’s about Gaza, land and wiping out every Palestinian.

It’s tragic and terrible and all I pray and hope is a complete ceasefire. Sadly I feel most hostages are already dead.

AGAA4

All I see is death and destruction on both sides and this will carry on. I will never support any war as it's always the innocent who suffer most while the leaders of both sides are kept safe.

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Iam64

I haven’t seen the documentary. I’m surprised that the understandable concerns about the Palestinian people seem to have led to anger at ordinary Israelis, even Jewish people across the world
ronib - can you name a world leader, or British politician that has ‘credibility with Israel”? Netanyahu is beyond influence. If he was open to reason, it’s possible a ceasefire could have been achieved. I acknowledge Hamas is a lethal terrorist organisation but something has to happen if the war isn’t to spread even further

I agree

nanna8

Live by the sword, die by the sword. Hamas deserves all they get from the Israelis. They are murderous thugs, the lot of them and they love to portray themselves as the victims by putting women and children in the line of fire.

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That massacre, nearly one year ago, was so shocking that I find I can't think too much about it. However one episode in particular that sticks in my mind is that of a young woman with her two little boys, one a baby, the other about two, being taken at gun point to God knows where, to God knows what fate. I think it is confirmed that they are now dead and that their father was released. The whole thing is SO dreadful, but that event sticks in my mind. I support Israel 100%.

Yes the Hamas attack was horrific and the Israelis attack on Gaza killing mainly women and children is horrific. You can not use one horrific attack to justify another. This just oscillates back on forth with each side claiming the last attack on them justifies their even more horrific attack on the other side. I dread to think what this latest attacks by Israel is laying the seeds for and how many innocent people will die.

Yes it was awful, unforgivable, but am afraid Netanyahu is not behaving in a way that will save any further hostages or produce a ceasefire that will lead to an end to the loss of innocent lives on both sides.
To believe the IDF have not committed similar acts against innocent Palestinians is as risible as it is dangerous. Every life matters, those of Israelis and Gazans, but with the death toll in Gaza reaching towards 50,000 we now have to asked if this is proportionate, for surely in another 6 months we will be nearing a million.
I blame Hamas for doing what they did, these are not people I have the least bit of sympathy for, but does anyone on this thread think that the killing of a million Gazans in another 6 months or so is the answer? Do the lives of their young people and babies mean so little, because nearly half of all those killed are children.
Also will this approach ensure the end of Hamas or the beginning of a new terrorist group every bit as bad.
Have never known indiscriminate killing to ensure peace.

Babs03

Yes it was awful, unforgivable, but am afraid Netanyahu is not behaving in a way that will save any further hostages or produce a ceasefire that will lead to an end to the loss of innocent lives on both sides.
To believe the IDF have not committed similar acts against innocent Palestinians is as risible as it is dangerous. Every life matters, those of Israelis and Gazans, but with the death toll in Gaza reaching towards 50,000 we now have to asked if this is proportionate, for surely in another 6 months we will be nearing a million.
I blame Hamas for doing what they did, these are not people I have the least bit of sympathy for, but does anyone on this thread think that the killing of a million Gazans in another 6 months or so is the answer? Do the lives of their young people and babies mean so little, because nearly half of all those killed are children.
Also will this approach ensure the end of Hamas or the beginning of a new terrorist group every bit as bad.
Have never known indiscriminate killing to ensure peace.

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