Well Done Rosie Duffield

Iam64 or think of it another way. The old media outlets are losing subscribers and not getting the numbers anymore. Failing business models?
Yes GB news is right wing but does it have that much credibility? There’s a definite cynicism about how news is digested.

ronib - it’s really an incontrovertible truth that our print media is skewed to the right. The Mail, the Sun, the Telegraph, the Times to name but a few. GB news is definitely right leaning.
The bbc is accused of being left or right wing depending on who is getting offended. I generally find the bbc tries to report objective

Mollygo

^So what was Johnson wrongly criticised for?^
Weird question. Who on here has said Johnson was wrongly criticised?
But Starmer’s critics aren’t all wrong either.

I was confused by the selective amnesia comment…

Doodledog The media is simply skewed. Just perverse? Neither right nor left? Must be its business model?

I suspect that the media create the rubbish, escaped. You're right that people notice different things, but the media is very much skewed to the right, so it is much more difficult for the LP to get support, even tacitly.

I think the media is wrong to even draw attention to all this offensive rubbish. By publicising personal insults, they are actually associating themselves with the sleaze, whipping up intetest, and are thereby partly responsible. Then people copy the insults without even remembering where they came from.
As a Conservative supporter, I will be more sensitive to attacks on Tory politicians. Whereas LP supporters will maybe be more aware of attacks on those from their party.

escaped

Sunak, not called names?
I remember his being deeply upset, mainly for his girls, because he had publicly been called "an effing Paki". It was shown on tv too.
Seems anything goes, whoever, whatever.

Oh, that is disgraceful. I am sorry to hear that his daughter had to put up with that.

I was talking about the tabloid nonsense though. Other than 'Dishy Rishi', which is complimentary at least, I don't recall people copying tabloid insults aimed at any of them.

Of course it is my right to say that I don't remember anything of the sort - there is really no need to point it out, although I suppose I could join in and say that it is your right to point out my rights 😂. It would soon get a bit like One Man Went To Mow, though.

So what was Johnson wrongly criticised for?
Weird question. Who on here has said Johnson was wrongly criticised?
But Starmer’s critics aren’t all wrong either.

GrannyGravy13

Doodledog

I hope WWM is ok.

I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government. What tabloid names was Sunak called? Or Johnson? Yes, they were criticised for things they actually did, but not for what the media said they might possibly be thinking about considering. There is a huge difference between criticism and sniping.

Oh come on Doodledog

Selective amnesia, maybe?

So what was Johnson wrongly criticised for?

On Gransnet and in the media I think Johnson was called a lot of names, particularly after actions which many saw as outrageous. I don’t think Sunak suffered the same personal attacks fate really, apart from maybe on a couple of occasions. People didn’t all agree with what the government were doing, but it didn’t tend to be as personally directed. I thought he acquitted himself professionally - it’s a pity for the Tories that it wasn’t him who replaced Teresa May.

Doodledog

I hope WWM is ok.

I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government. What tabloid names was Sunak called? Or Johnson? Yes, they were criticised for things they actually did, but not for what the media said they might possibly be thinking about considering. There is a huge difference between criticism and sniping.

Oh come on Doodledog

Selective amnesia, maybe?

It depresses me that a significant proportion of the British electorate live in fantasy land and expect quick fixes within 3 months and are so easily manipulated by much of the cynical British media
I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government. What tabloid names was Sunak called? Or Johnson? Yes, they were criticised for things they actually did, but not for what the media said they might possibly be thinking about considering.
Who is living in fantasy land?

Sunak, not called names?
I remember his being deeply upset, mainly for his girls, because he had publicly been called "an effing Paki". It was shown on tv too.
Seems anything goes, whoever, whatever.

I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government.
That’s your right.

I hope WWM is ok.

I don't agree that there was sniping at the last government. What tabloid names was Sunak called? Or Johnson? Yes, they were criticised for things they actually did, but not for what the media said they might possibly be thinking about considering. There is a huge difference between criticism and sniping.

The government do communicate what they've done - often it not picked up, or picked up and presented with a sneer and misrepresentative quotes....Sad we've lost WWM list of what has been done.

I do agree they need to have better press office skills.

It was open season for sniping during the last government. So why would things change just because it’s Labour?

I don’t remember it starting so early after TB and GB and Labour’s departure, but then social media wasn’t around so much to comment on and recall their sins in power.
That meant comparisons or if there were any examples of what David Cameron had condemned Labour for, then immediately decided it was a good idea for him to do once in power weren’t so easily available.

The other reason is probably the defensive attitude and refusal to admit that they might be wrong, from Labour supporters for whatever Labour comes up with.

I agree (and have been saying from the start) that the Comms have been dire. I also hope that the budget will calm things down a bit.

It goes without saying that a Labour government will have a hostile press - they always do - but this time round has been worse than ever, probably as social media is in play. I'm not shocked by that, so much as by the way the public has joined in. I do find that worrying.

Well to some extent the sniping has been brought about through inadequate communication skills from the government. Once they sort themselves out, if ever, more rational responses might follow … or maybe not? It’s a silly season in the UK until the budget at the end of this month. Can’t guarantee what will happen then …

With regard to Keir Starmer, it’s certainly true that he has smartened himself up in recent years, possibly with his help of Lord Alli, but he didn’t always dress so smartly. He looks more like a PM in the clothing he’s wearing now. But it’s all image isn’t it?
Well yes. I dressed much more smartly at work if I had an important meeting than if I had a day in the office, and when I'm at home all day I don't dress smartly at all. You're right that it's image, up to a point, but we learn as children that there are appropriate and inappropriate ways to dress, depending on the occasion. Clothes are a way of showing a level of respect for the occasion, and a PM is going to have more important occasions than most of us.

Doodledog
All political parties have to put up with pettiness and media slurs, not just the Labour Party. It’s in the nature of politics these days, it’s just what it is.
Can you point to a time when a government has had this level of constant sniping? People gleefully repeating childish names that they've read in the tabloids? Speculation about things the government has never even hinted at doing being presented as inevitable?

I really can't.

maddyfour

I felt sorry for Michael Foot at the time. I felt the attacks on him by the press were unwarranted. It was cold, he was quite old and used a stick if I remember correctly, and he was Leader of the Opposition at the time. I felt that if he he needed the warmth of a good overcoat, then why would that not be acceptable? As for that comment about the stick being kicked away from him, I don’t remember that but it was a disgraceful comment and I don’t think he’d get away with it now, quite rightly. He was using a stick for a reason, and the reason was that he was a little unsteady on his feet, and he was required to stand for quite a long time in the cold. Disgraceful remark from Kenny Everet.

However I also thought the furore over Boris Johnson’s clothes was unwarranted. He is, whatever else he might be, a rather eccentric person, and his clothes didn’t always fit him properly. Possibly particularly because he has a rather strange, overweight figure. I don’t think he cares too much about his appearance. He was attacked a lot about that.

With regard to Keir Starmer, it’s certainly true that he has smartened himself up in recent years, possibly with his help of Lord Alli, but he didn’t always dress so smartly. He looks more like a PM in the clothing he’s wearing now. But it’s all image isn’t it? Does anyone remember how Margate Thatcher changed her dress style after she became PM? Her clothes became more corporate, more like a female version of what a man would wear. She started wearing suits and blouses, especially with the pussy bows (I’ve never liked pussy bows on clothes but that’s my personal choice) rather than dresses and coats.

No. Johnson deliberately courted that imagine eg before appearances he would deliberately ruffle his hair up. I was ashamed seeing him on the world stage representing us with his shirt hanging out clowning around with umbrellas etc.

Very predictable that she would be slated and people would try to dig up dirt on her isn’t it ? I think she is 100 % right. They should have a good hard look at themselves and I hope they do, for all your sakes.

maddyfour but the pettiness and slurs are currently not directed across the board and have not been for months. Its been a concerted effort from certain newspapers.

Regarding the current O/P and predictions of domino effects, we've had nothing of the kind. People are keeping their distance from Duffield and I agree with Robertgran's analysis.

In fairness, the appearance of Boris Johnson is not going to fade in people’s memories either, I bet that will still be talked about in 30 years time too. It’s more the slant that the media puts on the way some people appear that influences some of the public I think - Boris is portrayed as lovably unkempt, but Angela in her green trouser suit had her morals called into question. It’s a segment of the media that only appeals to certain people though, most see through it.

Michael Foot needed the walking stick because he had been seriously injured in a car accident , broken leg, broken ribs,
pierced lungs