Well Done Rosie Duffield

Anniebach

Corbyn was expelled from the Labour Party , Abbott was suspended from the Labour Party .
July the constituents voted for a Labour MP, September they now have an independent MP, this is wrong

Suspended for a year during which time her constituents had an independent MP, and who knows how much longer if an election hadn't been called. Within a year Rosie Duffield could decide to ask for the whip back, is that allowed?

Corbyn also an independent for over a year, don't remember the demands for him to resign and prompt a by-election either.

You’re flogging a dead horse here imo Rosie51.

Suspended is not expelled

Rosie51

Anniebach

Corbyn was expelled from the Labour Party , Abbott was suspended from the Labour Party .
July the constituents voted for a Labour MP, September they now have an independent MP, this is wrong

Suspended for a year during which time her constituents had an independent MP, and who knows how much longer if an election hadn't been called. Within a year Rosie Duffield could decide to ask for the whip back, is that allowed?

Corbyn also an independent for over a year, don't remember the demands for him to resign and prompt a by-election either.

You’re trying to score points without looking at the whole picture Rosie51. There were a total of 18 MPs who had lost the whip by the last election, different parties, different reasons, different lengths of suspension.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/apr/18/losing-the-whip-who-are-the-18-uk-mps-sitting-as-independents
These are all effectively MPs who were without portfolio - I think it’s wrong if they lose the whip and aren’t reinstated for them to continue - but there are much more serious scenarios here than Diane Abbott, who was suspended but hadn’t lost the whip. Something does need to be done to determine what happens when the whip isn’t restored after investigation, and when it is resigned by the MP.

Iam64

You’re flogging a dead horse here imo Rosie51.

Don't agree with cruelty to animals whether dead or alive so I'll desist.

May I ask a question though as I have no idea, I'm not a Labour member just a voter? Is it within Labour party rules for RD to request return of the whip in the future? Sincere question, not being devious or goady.

Or in view of Casdon's post trying to point score!

The whip’s office of the party makes the decision if an MP who resigned of their own volition wishes to return - but if somebody leaves and trashes the leader or party I doubt if the request would be granted because effectively they have burnt their bridges. She is in an iniquitous position now unless another party will take her.

She lost the whip,a few years back, during Covid lock down she met a married man she was involved with, sorry can’t search having problems with iPad ,

Thanks for that answer Casdon I'm not sure any other party aligns with her views, she's still essentially Labour, so I'll assume she'll remain an independent or leave politics.

I’m happy for Duffield to be an independent but believe her constituents should have the opportunity to vote in a by election.
Good memory there anniebach

Rosie51

Thanks for that answer Casdon I'm not sure any other party aligns with her views, she's still essentially Labour, so I'll assume she'll remain an independent or leave politics.

You’re probably right there. I seriously think that cross party agreement should be sought and a rule change agreed though, because it can’t be right for constituents to be represented by ‘independent’MPs for up to five years, when that’s not what they voted for - not specifically RD, but any MP in that situation.

In fact, I will write to my new Labour MP about this issue

I’m neither right leaning nor unfamiliar with Rosie Duffield’s history, but I think the accusations she has levelled at KS’s behaviour in government cannot be ignored.

It’s no secret that I was never his biggest fan, but I voted for Labour in the hope that we could finally have a change from 14 years of corruption and sleaze. I am absolutely gutted to realise, after such a short time, there is no hope of anything better, no party that will stand for the disadvantaged, but only more of the same self-serving dishonesty from people who will say anything to gain power.

Anniebach

She lost the whip,a few years back, during Covid lock down she met a married man she was involved with, sorry can’t search having problems with iPad ,

On 14 April 2020, Duffield was appointed a Labour whip by new Labour leader Keir Starmer.[23] In May 2020, she resigned from the position after breaking COVID-19 lockdown rules when she met her married partner whilst they were living in separate households. Duffield apologised and said she accepted her actions constituted a breach of the law at the time.[24][25][26]
From Wikipedia…

They were naive, and hypocritical having criticised the Tories for doing the same thing. However, there is no evidence that there was any corruption.

‘MPs currently have to declare gifts and hospitality worth more than £300 if it could be considered part of their "parliamentary or political activities".
They have to list such gifts in parliamentary transparency records within 28 days, stating the donor and the estimated value. The records are republished fortnightly when Parliament is sitting.
But under a rule introduced under David Cameron, ministers can declare hospitality linked to their government job in their departmental declarations, published every three months, where an estimated value is not required.’
From BBC News today.
If I understand the David Cameron rule change correctly, we wouldn’t know if the last government had ministers who were receiving gifts and donations if they were hidden in the departmental declarations -or have I misunderstood?
Here’s the full article.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/czj9m379jg7o

Thank you MayBee

MayBee70

Anniebach

She lost the whip,a few years back, during Covid lock down she met a married man she was involved with, sorry can’t search having problems with iPad ,

On 14 April 2020, Duffield was appointed a Labour whip by new Labour leader Keir Starmer.[23] In May 2020, she resigned from the position after breaking COVID-19 lockdown rules when she met her married partner whilst they were living in separate households. Duffield apologised and said she accepted her actions constituted a breach of the law at the time.[24][25][26]
From Wikipedia…

In stark contrast to Stephen Kinnock who didn't accept he'd broken the law.
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/mar/29/stephen-kinnock-targeted-by-police-for-visiting-father-neil

"I only stayed long enough to sing Happy Birthday" Hmmm for which you needed two fold up chairs, and two photos eh?
Given his sister also visited that day to drop off cake, a crumble and a lamb curry!” couldn't she have brought the necessary supplies Stephen mentioned? I took essential supplies to my midwife niece several times throughout the lockdown. I placed them on the step, rang the bell, then retreated outside her garden onto the pavement. Said hello, there's your bits, asked how things were and left within 3 or 4 minutes. Never once took a fold up chair with me. Oh and I went on my own, didn't need to take my husband with me, couldn't justify that even though she's his blood niece.

She wasn't alone in breaking lockdown rules but didn't attempt to evade the punishment. She was wrong and admitted it.

Well said Rosie. I think attempts to smear Rosie Duffield are unedifying. They’re just a distraction from the contents of her letter and whether people think what she’s said is unimportant.

Yes he drove there , took the chairs, sat in the garden , Glynis had dementia Neil was nursing her

Anniebach there were many, many people in similar situations who obeyed lockdown. He clearly lied that he had to take necessary supplies and only stayed long enough to sing Happy Birthday. How far did he drive?

There must have been hundreds of families in similar situations, none of whom were given a pass to break lockdown. You clearly just want to condemn Rosie Duffield, and that's why you dragged up her past. In that incident she showed dignity and accepted her wrongdoing. You've just totally excused Stephen's lies and wrongdoing.
I thought that was something most posters agreed on, our condemnation of the lockdown rule breakers, apparently not if you're the preferred rule breaker.

Do you think that’s what is happening nightowl? I think people were trying to have a sensible discussion about the ramifications of her decision, and inevitably views about her, and her rationale for doing as she did will differ - that doesn’t imply there is a right or wrong in what she said, but it does attempt to put it into a wider context.
Specifically to answer your question, I think she had her reasons for saying what she did, but in typical RD style she goes a mile rather than an inch and ends up out on a limb without thinking of the ramifications for herself or the party. What I feel is that there was a more mature way to handle the issue she saw, and herself, that would ultimately have been more effective. There will be as many different views as there are people on this thread though.

I sort of agree Casdon that she could possibly, probably, have been a bit more diplomatic and could have saved herself some of the grief. But Rosie is very committed and does wear her heart on her sleeve. I just hope she doesn't regret her decision.

I think bringing up her breaking of lockdown rules does smack of smearing, especially when followed up by excusing and approval of another Labour MP's breaking of them.

I think she is braver than most people in the labour party, and I dont mind squeaky wheels, in the right place they tend to get things done. I would say most of the women who have made inroads on the gender issue are squeaky wheels. I am grateful for their work.

Rosie51

I sort of agree Casdon that she could possibly, probably, have been a bit more diplomatic and could have saved herself some of the grief. But Rosie is very committed and does wear her heart on her sleeve. I just hope she doesn't regret her decision.

I think bringing up her breaking of lockdown rules does smack of smearing, especially when followed up by excusing and approval of another Labour MP's breaking of them.

Is it a smear if it actually happened and she admitted to it? Surely it is only a smear if it’s an accusation of something that might not have happened?

Rosie51

I sort of agree Casdon that she could possibly, probably, have been a bit more diplomatic and could have saved herself some of the grief. But Rosie is very committed and does wear her heart on her sleeve. I just hope she doesn't regret her decision.

I think bringing up her breaking of lockdown rules does smack of smearing, especially when followed up by excusing and approval of another Labour MP's breaking of them.

I agree, and hope too that she doesn’t regret it, although I suspect she might - to use Galaxy’s analogy of squeaky wheels, they do only tend to work at all when they are attached to a vehicle. No doubt it will play out, how remains to be seen.