Thousands stuck in Lebanon

eggplant

I think I'm right in saying Iran and Iraq are very different places in terms of culture, language and just about everything. I'm ashamed to say, many years ago all I knew of Iran were images of ranting bearded men. Then I met my neighbours and broadened my outlook.

The Iranians I have met, who are living in this country, are lovely, cultured people. However the baying crowds in Iran that I see on news programmes are clearly a very different type.

maddyfour

eggplant

I think I'm right in saying Iran and Iraq are very different places in terms of culture, language and just about everything. I'm ashamed to say, many years ago all I knew of Iran were images of ranting bearded men. Then I met my neighbours and broadened my outlook.

The Iranians I have met, who are living in this country, are lovely, cultured people. However the baying crowds in Iran that I see on news programmes are clearly a very different type.

I could say the same of my own friends in this country and pictures of the recent riots in Southport and elsewhere.

PS. Some of the baying crowds in Iran were protesting against the treatment of women and were later executed.

ronib

Babs03 isn’t it time that Iran received an unequivocal message - like butt out of this conflict? I think that’s the message which will go forward to stop even more innocent people dying. Quite frankly who cares what Iran and America think of each other? What has that got to do with Israel?

How do you think Iran should have responded to the bombing by Israel of the Iranian consulate in Damascus on 1 April, which killed at least 11 people?

growstuff 1992 Buenos Aires embassy bombing.
Since we’re not dealing with the Women’s Institute, I have no idea how anyone should respond to anything.
Damascus bombing of Iranian embassy- 16 killed. Iran retaliated. Israel claimed the embassy was used for purposes other than that of an embassy. One member of Hezbollah killed.

Also Quds forces killed.

growstuff

ronib

Babs03 isn’t it time that Iran received an unequivocal message - like butt out of this conflict? I think that’s the message which will go forward to stop even more innocent people dying. Quite frankly who cares what Iran and America think of each other? What has that got to do with Israel?

How do you think Iran should have responded to the bombing by Israel of the Iranian consulate in Damascus on 1 April, which killed at least 11 people?

Seeing as Iran have been supplying and encouraging the Houthis to bomb Israel, it should have come as no surprise to them. Now they play the victim.
Live by the sword etc.

ronib

growstuff 1992 Buenos Aires embassy bombing.
Since we’re not dealing with the Women’s Institute, I have no idea how anyone should respond to anything.
Damascus bombing of Iranian embassy- 16 killed. Iran retaliated. Israel claimed the embassy was used for purposes other than that of an embassy. One member of Hezbollah killed.

I think you mean Iranian officer, not Hezbollah. Of course Iran retaliated, although very half-heartedly. And you think they should butt out.

Freya5

growstuff

ronib

Babs03 isn’t it time that Iran received an unequivocal message - like butt out of this conflict? I think that’s the message which will go forward to stop even more innocent people dying. Quite frankly who cares what Iran and America think of each other? What has that got to do with Israel?

How do you think Iran should have responded to the bombing by Israel of the Iranian consulate in Damascus on 1 April, which killed at least 11 people?

Seeing as Iran have been supplying and encouraging the Houthis to bomb Israel, it should have come as no surprise to them. Now they play the victim.
Live by the sword etc.

By that reasoning, I assume you would justify attacking the suppliers of arms to Israel.

I agree. And Iran probably expected retaliation. But the same could be said of Israel. After decades of brutally repressing, imprisoning, and killing Palestinians, as well as illegally taking their land, there had to be retaliation.
This isn’t a one way street, we can’t support Israel for retaliating against its enemies without at the same time recognising why the Palestinians turned to violence.

What we also have to look at is the existential threat of Hamas, Hezbollah or even Iran against Israel.
Firstly Hamas and Hezbollah are groups of no more than a few thousand men at the most, relying mainly upon missiles and guns supplied on an ad hoc fashion by Iran, with Israel now making any supply of further arms virtually impossible. They rely upon guerilla warfare, they have no state of the art weaponry, no high tech drones etc., they have no armies with tanks and aircraft. Israel has one of the biggest armies in the ME with the most cutting edge weaponry supplied by the west. And they have nukes.
Iran has arms but little appetite for war despite the rhetoric, after years of crippling sanctions the country is on its knees and the regime know that a bloody war could cause the people to turn against them and so initiate regime change.
So Israel are fighting David rather than Goliath and the present narrative about an existential threat to Israel is complete hyperbole. As one commenter recently said ‘good job Israel has an iron dome.’ Perhaps we should just think about that for a moment whilst considering that nobody they are presently bombing to bits has this.

Growstuff according to Wiki - 8 Officers of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were killed in the embassy and this group ensure the integrity of the Islamic Republic. So why were they in the embassy in the first place?

Interesting information whether accurate is another question -
Hezbollah
In 2017 Janes estimated 20k full time and 20k reservists. Financed partly by Iran and trained by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps.
Hamas
20 to 30k.
Israel
169500 active personnel
465k reservists

ronib

Growstuff according to Wiki - 8 Officers of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps were killed in the embassy and this group ensure the integrity of the Islamic Republic. So why were they in the embassy in the first place?

The same reason that people meet in embassies. They're supposed to be private and secure. It's nobody's business to know.

However the baying crowds in Iran that I see on news programmes are clearly a very different type

We don't know do we? We are the victims of propaganda. Scenes of women handing out sweets and celebrating ,for example are often done under duress. People are threatened or paid to behave in a ceratin way.

None of us ( with one or 2 exeptions) know do we?

Just like we don't know about refugees ripping up documents. Its all hearsay and mind games.

growstuff on the contrary, Israeli intelligence must have been very strong to contemplate bombing an embassy. Why would Israel want all the flack surrounding this if not to stop safe places from being used for terrorists. And this Revolutionary Guard Corps has been designated terrorist like it or not. Sends out a clear signal doesn’t it?

eggplant

*However the baying crowds in Iran that I see on news programmes are clearly a very different type*

We don't know do we? We are the victims of propaganda. Scenes of women handing out sweets and celebrating ,for example are often done under duress. People are threatened or paid to behave in a ceratin way.

None of us ( with one or 2 exeptions) know do we?

Just like we don't know about refugees ripping up documents. Its all hearsay and mind games.

Baying crowds in Iran are bussed in from villages for the day and given lunch, dinner etc. the ordinary population stay away.

To be honest, if I was terrified and hungry, I'd do what I was told.

GrannyGravy13

I assume all who are in favour of Israel not attacking Hezbolla are content with Hezbollah to continue launching missiles in Israel on a daily basis?

Iran backs and arms Hezbollah!

Some of us simply pray for peace!

Personally I don’t wish to see any more needless deaths of ANY civilians.

I utterly condemn Hamas, what they did was unforgivable, however Netunyahu
has crossed the line, I hold HIM responsible, not Israeli citizens.

Iran is a divided society, I was shocked above by the labelling "baying crowds" when I recalled the brave attempts of young women - and men - on the streets against the government.
Its still going on: march 2024

"In March 2024, the mission reported that 551 protesters had been killed by security forces (including the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) during the protests. This was the highest number killed in any protest in Iran since the establishment of the Islamic Republic in 1979"

This is from a H o C September 2024 report on internal events in Iran.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/two-year-anniversary-of-the-mahsa-amini-protests-in-iran/#:~:text=Iranian%20government%20response%20to%20the%20protests&text=In%20March%202024%2C%20the%20mission,the%20Islamic%20Republic%20in%201979.

Israeli intelligence must have been very strong to contemplate bombing an embassy

I still find it strange that Israeli intelligence was strong enough to pinpoint the occupants of an embassy, and to carry out the exploding pagers operation, but didn't appear to take notice of reports of unusual activity on the Gaza/Israel border prior to the Hamas atrocities of October last year.

MaizieD

^Israeli intelligence must have been very strong to contemplate bombing an embassy^

I still find it strange that Israeli intelligence was strong enough to pinpoint the occupants of an embassy, and to carry out the exploding pagers operation, but didn't appear to take notice of reports of unusual activity on the Gaza/Israel border prior to the Hamas atrocities of October last year.

Its unbelievable. Quite literally. One of the most highly militarised countries on earth and they were all having a little nap?

Wyllow3

Iran is a divided society, I was shocked above by the labelling "baying crowds" when I recalled the brave attempts of young women - and men - on the streets against the government.
Its still going on: march 2024

"In March 2024, the mission reported that 551 protesters had been killed by security forces (including the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps) during the protests. This was the highest number killed in any protest in Iran since the establishment of the Islamic Republic in 1979"

This is from a H o C September 2024 report on internal events in Iran.
commonslibrary.parliament.uk/two-year-anniversary-of-the-mahsa-amini-protests-in-iran/#:~:text=Iranian%20government%20response%20to%20the%20protests&text=In%20March%202024%2C%20the%20mission,the%20Islamic%20Republic%20in%201979.

And this is why the threat to an Israel from Iran is not what many suppose it is, because apart from being wrecked economically by sanctions the people presently opposed to the regime would probably rise up to demand regime change if the country goes to war knowing that western allies would be sending their forces to fight with Israel against Iran and so possibly help them make this come about.

I simply believe that what Israel has done in retaliation for Oct 7th and the hostage situation is disproportionate and now just plain wicked. They are the biggest military might in the region and despite playing the victim has many Arab countries around them who whilst not being friends are allies who have - in the case of Jordan - helped defend the country from missiles. Egypt, Qatar, and Saudi are all in the pocket of the US and so support Israel. That just leaves a bunch of bloodthirsty terrorists who are not an army, do not have any military might, and should have been dealt with as terrorists rather than a similar army of a sovereign state.
Totally over the top and destructive, indeed Israel now won’t stop until it has razed Lebanon to the ground. The locals now even have a phrase for it ‘they are going to Gaza it.’
And despite having high tech weaponry to target terrorists or Iranian Republican military personnel abroad which they have been using for years they are completely flattening these places with extreme brute force. This is a scorched earth policy which again contravenes international laws.
But then Israel has contravened more international laws than any other country, not just now but for decades.

But then Israel has contravened more international laws than any other country, not just now but for decades

Must be about money then.

eggplant

*But then Israel has contravened more international laws than any other country, not just now but for decades*

Must be about money then.

Are you for real?
Afghanistan and Iran come to mind. Do you think Russia and China and North Korea obey international laws? Not to mention many countries in Africa, South America, the list goes on.