Anniversary of Israeli massacre

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Maddy

And so it continues …

“Hezbollah is hiding hundreds of millions of dollars in cash and gold in a “money bunker” under a hospital in Beirut, according to Israel’s military.

The treasure trove was funnelled from Iran, the IDF claimed, as part of an arrangement with the terror group’s former leader Hassan Nasrallah.

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said on Monday that Nasralla’s bunker, which is estimated to contain at least half a billion in US dollar bills and gold, is located under the Al-Sahel Hospital in Hezbollah’s stronghold of Dahiyeh in Beirut.”

Source: today’s Telegraph

Note: “under a hospital”.
So much for civilians eh?

Anniebach

Wyllow how can it be possible to differentiate between Hamas and their supporters and those you claim do not support Hamas ?

Well there really isn’t a way.
So the only way to be sure would be to kill all Palestinians.
Is this the answer?

No Babs, the answer is for Hamas to release the hostages and for Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Iran to stop funding terrorism and stop attacking Israel.

Indeed maddyfour absolutely this. 👏

I really think that if we are to believe that this sets a precedent whereby governments can say that terrorists are using civilians as human shields, which some might but not all, then it is ok to kill over 42,000 civilians, we are entering some very dark days indeed. With a Chinese government, Indian government, Turkish government, and Russian and Iranian governments encountering resistance from various ‘terrorist’ groups. Indeed both Turkey and Iran have Kurdish militias fighting for autonomy - in the case of the Kurds they are also allies of the west but still categorised as ‘terrorists’ - and they often operate out of neighbouring countries, the Kurds in Iraq and Syria, so will that give Turkey and Iran a green light to completely flatten those countries more than they already are. And God knows what China will do to Taiwan if it decides that Taiwanese terrorists are targeting China. Korea is another possible flashpoint.
To suppose these leaders are not watching closely is to be ridiculously naive.

Babs03

I really think that if we are to believe that this sets a precedent whereby governments can say that terrorists are using civilians as human shields, which some might but not all, then it is ok to kill over 42,000 civilians, we are entering some very dark days indeed. With a Chinese government, Indian government, Turkish government, and Russian and Iranian governments encountering resistance from various ‘terrorist’ groups. Indeed both Turkey and Iran have Kurdish militias fighting for autonomy - in the case of the Kurds they are also allies of the west but still categorised as ‘terrorists’ - and they often operate out of neighbouring countries, the Kurds in Iraq and Syria, so will that give Turkey and Iran a green light to completely flatten those countries more than they already are. And God knows what China will do to Taiwan if it decides that Taiwanese terrorists are targeting China. Korea is another possible flashpoint.
To suppose these leaders are not watching closely is to be ridiculously naive.

I don’t see any reasons to link Turkey and Iran. Turkey is a NATO member and so far has stayed out of the aggression despite having a predominantly Muslim population. The Kurdish and other separatists do cause problems so they maintain a large army and religion is banned from politics to maintain a secular government.

Turkey isn’t democratic in the way we are, but compared to its neighbours it’s a shining light and many Brits holiday there. I havn’t heard of many taking a holiday in Iran.

maddyfour

GrannyGravy knows about what’s happening in Gaza and regularly expresses her sympathy for the innocent Gazans.

However we all also know, because we have seen the footage, that Gazans celebrated the massacre on 07/10/23 by dancing and cheering in the streets, especially around the trucks bringing back the hostages into Gaza. They jeered and spit on these terrified people, as they did again when some hostages were released. These scenes do not lead us to believe that Hamas is not widely supported in Gaza, whatever people in the UK may claim.

However I think we are all of one accord when we say that the suffering is enough. The children of Gaza have paid a high price for the adults support of Hamas. They have no voice, but we have a voice, and our voices should stop condemning the attacked and start condemning the attackers. The attackers are Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis, and Iran. They have caused the children of Gaza to suffer and they continue to cause the children of Gaza to suffer. The way to end all this is for Hamas to hand back the hostages and for Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis and Iran to stop attacking Israel.

Absolutely this 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

@David
Am not saying Turkey would enter into the Israeli conflict. It won’t. But it could make incursions into Iraq and Syria flattening both countries and killing countless civilians in order to eliminate the PKK and YPG - both Kurdish militias that do more than just cause problems for Turkey.
And Iran has a Kurdish population that can as you say ‘cause problems’ so why shouldn’t they invade Iraq stating that they are eliminating terrorists and killing thousands of civilians in the process.
Perhaps you didn’t know that Turkey and Iran are quite good bedfellows politically when it suits them.
There is much more to the region than you think which is why western leaders are now wetting themselves because Netanyahu may have just given some governments a master class in how to eliminate terrorism.

Where to start?
Most countries in that region have groups of terrorists which pose a headache for their governments including Turkey but none have the same problem that Israel had/have with implacable enemies surrounding them who’s dearest wish is to kill every Jew they can.
Next, no other country has invaded Turkey, murdered a thousand people and taken two hundred hostages back into their own country.
If that ever were to happen then Turkey would have to respond It’s pointless to speculate about something that probably won’t ever happen.Turkey is a mainly Muslim country in any case.

Oreo

Where to start?
Most countries in that region have groups of terrorists which pose a headache for their governments including Turkey but none have the same problem that Israel had/have with implacable enemies surrounding them who’s dearest wish is to kill every Jew they can.
Next, no other country has invaded Turkey, murdered a thousand people and taken two hundred hostages back into their own country.
If that ever were to happen then Turkey would have to respond It’s pointless to speculate about something that probably won’t ever happen.Turkey is a mainly Muslim country in any case.

I think most Turks would argue otherwise. The PKK bombed tourist spots a couple of decades ago and have killed many Turks in the same time period. When Turkey bombed Kobani on the Syrian border during the Syrian war killing many civilians western governments came Disney hard on them despite Erdogan saying Kurdish terrorists were holed up in Kobani. That was because the Kurds were helping the allies get rid of ISIS at the time. My sympathy is with the Kurds, they have suffered a lot at the hands of various governments in the region. But like I said they are categorised as terrorists. So now Erdogan can do as he pleases in Syria which he probably will, is not a question of if but when.

Correction - came down hard, not sure where Disney came from

Syria is in a mess and Turkey has problems with terrorism just as Egypt does but neither country has had to suffer what Israel has just gone through, not for horror or numbers.
Not sure why you keep on about Turkey when they aren’t in this position.
When they are, might be worth discussing it.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

And so it continues …

“Hezbollah is hiding hundreds of millions of dollars in cash and gold in a “money bunker” under a hospital in Beirut, according to Israel’s military.

The treasure trove was funnelled from Iran, the IDF claimed, as part of an arrangement with the terror group’s former leader Hassan Nasrallah.

IDF spokesman Daniel Hagari said on Monday that Nasralla’s bunker, which is estimated to contain at least half a billion in US dollar bills and gold, is located under the Al-Sahel Hospital in Hezbollah’s stronghold of Dahiyeh in Beirut.”

Source: today’s Telegraph

Amazing how much these terrorists can get their hands on isn’t it?
Hit them where it hurts, the money!

Babs03

Correction - came down hard, not sure where Disney came from

Gets everywhere.

There are over 3 million Syrian refugees in Turkey.

The Kurds sipuffereed very badly at the hands of Saddam Hussein and seem to be badly treated wherever they go.

sipuffereed
Suffered

It's gremlins, Babs03.

Anniebach

How many in the Israel government ? Is this government held at gunpoint to support their PM ?

No, not quite, but the Israeli government is a coalition of parties many of whom are more right wing and hard line than Mr Netanyahu.

Then the same as uk, he must have support yet no one speaks of the government but of Netanyahu, one would think he is a
dictator

Smotrich and Ben-Gvir are the two hard right extremists who hold Netanyahu's government together. Netanyahu is, as the leader of Likud, right of centre, Likud has more centrist views but it is of interest that "from the river to the sea" originated from the Likud 1977 election manifesto ie "Judea and Samaria will not be handed to any foreign administration; between the Sea and the Jordan there will only be Israeli sovereignty."

People speak of Netanyahu because he was not a popular leader before the war, accused of corruption, including accepting bribes, a breach of trust, and fraud, if the war hadn't happened he would probably be in jail. If we had a PM like that I would be the first to critisize and call him to account.
This is why Netanyahu attracts to much attention rather than those around him in government, many of whom, including Gallant, whether more right wing or not, are losing patience with him with regard to the way he is prolonging the war after a possible ending.
He is not a nice human being, his history as a leader is not the best, indeed in the 1990s he twisted the arms of the Knesset to support the election of Hamas, even going so far as to suggest they fund the party so that the West Bank and Gaza would be split and the likelihood of a united Palestinian front would be remote.
Am not saying this because I am against the war I am saying this because it is a matter or record.

www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/

“Perhaps you didn’t know that Turkey and Iran are quite good bedfellows politically when it suits them.”

Because there have been no incidents reported I assumed it was a case of “daggers drawn” neither have cause to start a war. The only interest Turkey has in striking into Iraq or Syria is to hit the PKK. The Kurds want their own homeland but have never in history had a homeland. Because of frequent violent rebellions in the last century, government distrust and repression is a major concern for both sides and internationally.

Yet he is Israel’s longest serving PM, has won the last 3 elections,

@David

www.mfa.gov.tr/turkiye-iran-relations.en.mfa