Anniversary of Israeli massacre

Who deliberately kills children, I’ll tell you who it’s hamas
The IDF do not deliberately do it, it’s what happens in conflicts and is awful but what accidentally happens.
Every day to me is a day of remembrance both for the deliberately murdered families and young people in Israel and the innocent people in Gaza caught up in the aftermath of it.
That doesn’t mean to change the remembrance of the war dead from the two wars with Germany.

Good comment Oreo.

Hamas most definitely kill children deliberately. That’s exactly what they did on 07/01/23 and it’s what they do when they place their Headquarters under hospitals and schools.

Has anyone actually seen the video of tik tok postings from some IDF troops? If so is it possible to defend it? I found it truly shocking.

tik tok

Are you joking?
Why ever would anyone watch tik tok?
It’s not exactly a go to for information platform is it?
I don’t have tik tok.

I look at TikTok, the talking dogs are rather amusing

Farzanah

Has anyone actually seen the video of tik tok postings from some IDF troops? If so is it possible to defend it? I found it truly shocking.

They are shocking. I think it's possible to oppose Hamas and what they stand for, but also accept that some young IDF soldiers' behavior is far from acceptable.

Just as it's possible to say, yes, Hamas did need to be defeated but it's now wrong to withhold UNRWA aid in Northern Gaza. People are starving and have little or no medical support.

Supporting Israels' right to exist does not mean agreeing with everything Netanyahu/current regime does. I dont think we'll have peace without compromise and "middle ways'.

Investigating war crimes in Gaza. Al Jazeera Investigations
You tube.

Be warned this is in no way amusing, but is upsetting in the extreme.

Farzanah

Has anyone actually seen the video of tik tok postings from some IDF troops? If so is it possible to defend it? I found it truly shocking.

That’s TikTok for you once you enter that portal, apart from amusing animals then anything goes.
I imagine that our own soldiers and also police send all sorts of stuff to SM platforms and each other.Some have been sacked for doing it.

It’s wrong of course, but it’s their age, sharing anything at all online.

That is not the issue Oreo- it is what they are doing and sharing, that is sick.

Many wrong things are done in war situations sadly.Not all soldiers are honourable.

It's true, Oreo, a lot of it is really, really sick.
That what they do, they feel is not just OK, but boasting - it doesn't seem to occur to them it reflects badly on their own country.

Oreo

Many wrong things are done in war situations sadly.Not all soldiers are honourable.

This is definitely also true oreo. But should it be tolerated by IDF leaders?

Oreo

Many wrong things are done in war situations sadly.Not all soldiers are honourable.

And that makes it right? Surely as someone from an army background, you should be the first to want to totally disapprove and say loud and clear that it is absolutely wrong.

No it shouldn’t in my view.It does happen in any war by any side and if they’d had mobiles in the past they’d have used them. If they can be identified then they should find them and punish them.

Fleurpepper

Oreo

Many wrong things are done in war situations sadly.Not all soldiers are honourable.

And that makes it right? Surely as someone from an army background, you should be the first to want to totally disapprove and say loud and clear that it is absolutely wrong.

Excuse me? I’m not from an Army background.

Apologies, sincerely, mistaken identity. Sorry.

Have you actually watched the video Oreo? It is possible that this footage may be investigated by ICC as evidence of war crimes. It is dehumanising for the victims but also the perpetrators and can never be acceptable.
I am from an army family btw.

Fleurpepper

Apologies, sincerely, mistaken identity. Sorry.

😃
I thought for a min that maybe Dad wasn’t really a tailor but had led a secret SAS life.

The denial and total refusal to look at the evidence is just staggering and frightening too, Farzanah.

Farzanah

Have you actually watched the video Oreo? It is possible that this footage may be investigated by ICC as evidence of war crimes. It is dehumanising for the victims but also the perpetrators and can never be acceptable.
I am from an army family btw.

No, I try not to watch anything much on TikTok only amusing things.
I have agreed that anything that was done wrongly needs investigating.

I do try to see things from Israel press and reports, and not just Palestinian sympathetic feeds and I aim to see as much as possible from both sides as it were, but of course it’s unrealistic to be completely neutral.

I personally try to be aware of intrinsic bias and not merely seek out information which confirms any preconceptions.

Whoops! I earlier posted on wrong thread.