Anniversary of Israeli massacre

I am thinking of you Philippa and I think many others are too.

Phillippa 🕯️

Philippa I ache for you x

I watched Laura K’s programme this morning. She interviewed a woman called Masoumeh Ebtekar and it chilled me.
ME was an Iranian Cabinet minister until 2021 and if her attitude is typical of the ruling party in Iran today we should be afraid. Although she hasn’t been a minister for 3years she probably still has her finger on the pulse.
I got the impression that until Israel ceased to exist there would be no peace. I hope I misread her attitude. Did anyone else watch it?

ronib I wasn’t taking about you implying that Khan allowed the marches because he is Muslim, is fine to say he is rubbish or even nasty, whatever, it was a poster much earlier in this thread who knows very well who they are.

Because a person can be against continued killing in Gaza and Lebanon and be against Hamas and Hezbollah as well, it isn’t a case if ‘either/or’.

Totally agree, Babs03. It goes without saying that I condemn the actions of Hamas on Oct 7th 2023, but I can at the same time, condemn Netanyahu (not Israel, not every Jew) for the aggressive actions in Gaza and Lebanon. It is sad to see some using the march yesterday as yet another opportunity to criticise Khan, and even worse to start demanding that pro-Palestine marches are banned. Democracy is not just having what you like.

Tomorrow there is a service of remembrance at our local church for those killed Oct 7th. Am not religious but will go along with my DH.
Am sure many others not normally in attendance will go too.

ronib

I think it’s completely wrong to allow marches in London in support of Hezbollah. When I mentioned this to Mr Ronib he said it was important for people to have free speech. But is it? He said that it’s important not to suppress thoughts. I am a bit nonplussed.

It is important to be able to demonstrate and allow free speech this is what separates us from dictatorship . Atrocities have been committed by all sides of this conflict . We need to support peace measures so no more children die .

HousePlantQueen

^Because a person can be against continued killing in Gaza and Lebanon and be against Hamas and Hezbollah as well, it isn’t a case if ‘either/or’.^

Totally agree, Babs03. It goes without saying that I condemn the actions of Hamas on Oct 7th 2023, but I can at the same time, condemn Netanyahu (not Israel, not every Jew) for the aggressive actions in Gaza and Lebanon. It is sad to see some using the march yesterday as yet another opportunity to criticise Khan, and even worse to start demanding that pro-Palestine marches are banned. Democracy is not just having what you like.

Also considering how some posters confuse anti Netanyahu and anti IDF dialogue with being antisemitic. This is just not true. I have never and will never aim any vitriol at the Jewish people. I make the distinction of only ever using the term ‘Israeli’ as do the vast majority if not all on threads like this.
Is perfectly okay to take Netanyahu and the IDF to task for their present military activities in Gaza and Lebanon. Just as I did so with Blair and Bush when they waged an illegal war in Iraq, or as take the Iranian regime to task for their activities in the ME.
If we are to make Netanyahu immune when it comes to any criticism, why would we give him this impunity? What makes him different to Putin, Blair, Biden, the Iranian regime, Trump, or countless others we all should hold to account, and as often as possible.

Was it this thread or another similar recently where someone said the Jewish people need to move on from their victim mentality. We arent confused thanks very much, we have seen the antisemitism on here.

Galaxy

Was it this thread or another similar recently where someone said the Jewish people need to move on from their victim mentality. We arent confused thanks very much, we have seen the antisemitism on here.

And I have come across several Islamophobic comments, two on this very thread.
But as I said the majority of posters are not using the word ‘Jewish’ when voicing their concerns about Netanyahu.
If you see a post that does this report it.
I would report posts that are Islamophobic but between threads like this and those about migrants coming over in boats, I would never have my finger off the report button.

I try to avoid reporting so I wont take your advice on that thanks. I have done it a couple of times with regard to antisemitism but it goes against my commitment to freedom of speech.
Which is why I support the right for people to march for whatever cause they feel motivated to march for.

In a previous thread the Holocaust was referred to ‘as something which happened their past’

Wrong in so many ways: morally, by denial, and historically. The levels of the flow of Jewish people into what the ruling British Mandate then called Palestine in the 1930's was because of that appalling Nazi genocide (and a continuation of anti semitism over centuries, bolstered by Balfour's 1917 promise of an Israeli homeland).

Galaxy

Was it this thread or another similar recently where someone said the Jewish people need to move on from their victim mentality. We arent confused thanks very much, we have seen the antisemitism on here.

I agree.

Babs03

ronib I wasn’t taking about you implying that Khan allowed the marches because he is Muslim, is fine to say he is rubbish or even nasty, whatever, it was a poster much earlier in this thread who knows very well who they are.

Please have the courage of your convictions and name a poster rather than all this kind of subterfuge around a subject.

Yes Annie it did, but it should never, ever be forgotten. The Jewish people have suffered greatly over the centuries. I understand their need to protect themselves, but it’s all so frightening and heartbreaking to watch the devastating scenes of death and destruction. I pray for compromise, but it doesn’t look likely 😢

FriedGreenTomatoes2

ronib

I think the Mayor of London is useless.

Seconded.

Thirded🤬

Has anyone seen reports anywhere of The Hyde Park rally today?

Yes on X, you tend to get a wide range of information/viewpoints on there. It's why some people dont like it I think.

As someone that, up until a few years ago, lived in a predominantly Muslim area, I can assure you that lighting a candle on a window sill would largely go unnoticed.

Being afraid to light a candle due to living in an Asian(?) area is frankly ridiculous.

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On the BBC
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce3we9n0v79o

a detailed report

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Perhaps seeing as mainly Muslims in countries like Iran suffer from Islamic extremism their suffering is also more acceptable.
I have no words.