Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

Rwanda would never have worked . That much is clear if you looked at it in detail . Just something to appease and not a viable solution . Plus insanely expensive .

How many came over legally,?

If Rwanda was such a daft plan, expensive, unworkable then why is Germany considering it?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyl5p2zd50o

Labour, when in Opposition just howled about it. Fair enough if they have another ‘very cunning plan’.

I just hope they announce some progress soon. Yvette Cooper has been very quiet since gripping the steering wheel of power.

Only those who don’t look at the bigger picture base their judgments on one day’s arrivals. 4,190 migrants made the crossing over the Channel in September, down from 4,729 in 2023 and the lowest number of arrivals in four years.

This isn’t a simple situation, and success is only possible to judge in retrospect, but the much shouted ‘Open doors, it will be far worse under Labour’ has not happened at all, so far at least.

www.gov.uk/government/news/g7-nations-agree-new-plan-to-dismantle-migrant-smuggling-gangs
Last week.

Perhaps the cleric who facilitated this man's conversion from Islam to Christianity might be asked "just how gullible are you?"

Now I'm no meteorologist, but the reason the number of arrivals is currently lower this Autumn is due to the atrocious sea conditions in the Channel. Anything above force 5 on the Beaufort scale and you're unlikely to make it across. High winds and unprecedendeted swells have caused disruption even amongst cross channel ferries in the past few weeks. Essential food and medical supplies couldn't be delivered to Jersey due to bad weather, and crossings in The Channel were re routed and cancelled. I was on one such crossing last weekend. Migrants would certainly be taking their lives in their hands in these conditions, so I'm sure that has some bearing on the figures.
Having said that, I agree that the numbers are of great concern and that something needs to be done as soon as possible.

Blinko

This is surely not party political. Both Labour and the Tories want to solve the boats issue. If it was easy it would have been sorted by now. Clearly it is not a simple thing to resolve.

I agree that this is an issue which needs cross party agreement, not controversial knee jerk plans designed to appeal to a section of the electorate. The current situation in the Middle East caused by Netanyahu bombing Lebanon and Gaza have made an already volatile region even more so and displaced around a million people. What is to happen to them? Will those who support Netanyahu's bombing campaigns welcome the subsequent flood of terrified and traumatised refugees?

Note: this does not mean I support Hamas or Hizbollah.

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eggplant

GrannyGravy13

Babs03

Well the last government had all the time they were in opposition to prepare and then 14 years in government.

And every plan they came up with was thwarted…

People stopping planes taking off with foreign criminals preventing them from being deported.

Clergy giving lessons in Christianity in order for Muslim asylum seekers to get leave to remain…

Do you really believe that the government of the UK could have been thwarted by a few leftie lawyers and bimbling old priests?

I think not.

They did not come up with a cohesive ,transparent plan, they did not work within Europe, they preferred the Rwanda nonsense and todying to the rabid right wingers.

Just for you, eggplant.
He could very well be living very close to you.

www.thepublica.com/african-rapist-allowed-to-remain-in-uk-after-arguing-that-deportation-would-harm-his-mental-health/

escaped

Now I'm no meteorologist, but the reason the number of arrivals is currently lower this Autumn is due to the atrocious sea conditions in the Channel. Anything above force 5 on the Beaufort scale and you're unlikely to make it across. High winds and unprecedendeted swells have caused disruption even amongst cross channel ferries in the past few weeks. Essential food and medical supplies couldn't be delivered to Jersey due to bad weather, and crossings in The Channel were re routed and cancelled. I was on one such crossing last weekend. Migrants would certainly be taking their lives in their hands in these conditions, so I'm sure that has some bearing on the figures.
Having said that, I agree that the numbers are of great concern and that something needs to be done as soon as possible.

There were less in August too. Here are the full facts and figures. I’m not saying that October won’t be higher, but that it is a retrospective look at the months since Labour took power compared with last year that should be the benchmark.
www.migrationwatchuk.org/channel-crossings-tracker

FriedGreenTomatoes2

If Rwanda was such a daft plan, expensive, unworkable then why is Germany considering it?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyl5p2zd50o

Labour, when in Opposition just howled about it. Fair enough if they have another ‘very cunning plan’.

I just hope they announce some progress soon. Yvette Cooper has been very quiet since gripping the steering wheel of power.

Considering and doing are two different things . I don’t see Germany ever doing this for obvious reasons .

If capable immigrants were allowed to work, their contribution would be positive.
Much of this thread is close to hate talk.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

If Rwanda was such a daft plan, expensive, unworkable then why is Germany considering it?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyl5p2zd50o

Labour, when in Opposition just howled about it. Fair enough if they have another ‘very cunning plan’.

I just hope they announce some progress soon. Yvette Cooper has been very quiet since gripping the steering wheel of power.

I’m sure you know that Germany is considering using Rwanda for processing only, completely different from the Tories’ unworkable plan and that France offered to set up processing facilities which the Tory government turned down.

Casdon

www.gov.uk/government/news/g7-nations-agree-new-plan-to-dismantle-migrant-smuggling-gangs
Last week.

Thank you Casdon, a very positive move, I didn't know. Just shows how when something positive happens it gets ignored.

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Wyllow3

Casdon

www.gov.uk/government/news/g7-nations-agree-new-plan-to-dismantle-migrant-smuggling-gangs
Last week.

Thank you Casdon, a very positive move, I didn't know. Just shows how when something positive happens it gets ignored.

Nobody can accuse Yvette Cooper of being a shirker Wyllow, she’s been very busy getting things moving. It’s just not exciting to those who seek sensation on a daily basis, so you have to dig around for information.

petra

eggplant

GrannyGravy13

Babs03

Well the last government had all the time they were in opposition to prepare and then 14 years in government.

And every plan they came up with was thwarted…

People stopping planes taking off with foreign criminals preventing them from being deported.

Clergy giving lessons in Christianity in order for Muslim asylum seekers to get leave to remain…

Do you really believe that the government of the UK could have been thwarted by a few leftie lawyers and bimbling old priests?

I think not.

They did not come up with a cohesive ,transparent plan, they did not work within Europe, they preferred the Rwanda nonsense and todying to the rabid right wingers.

Just for you, eggplant.
He could very well be living very close to you.

www.thepublica.com/african-rapist-allowed-to-remain-in-uk-after-arguing-that-deportation-would-harm-his-mental-health/

Just plain nasty.

Yes, winds of 50 - 60 knots, equating to 7 on the Beaufort scale, near gale force, would explain why there were fewer in August 2024 as well. The crossings are undeniably weather dependant, so the figures are somewhat skewed.

eggplant

GrannyGravy13

Babs03

Well the last government had all the time they were in opposition to prepare and then 14 years in government.

And every plan they came up with was thwarted…

People stopping planes taking off with foreign criminals preventing them from being deported.

Clergy giving lessons in Christianity in order for Muslim asylum seekers to get leave to remain…

Do you really believe that the government of the UK could have been thwarted by a few leftie lawyers and bimbling old priests?

I think not.

They did not come up with a cohesive ,transparent plan, they did not work within Europe, they preferred the Rwanda nonsense and todying to the rabid right wingers.

Same old, call people names because they are against mass immigration of people whom we know nothing about.
There are possibly our enemies helping and funding this mass invasion. The same ones behind the Palestinian marches maybe.
Non so blind as those who will not see.

escaped

Yes, winds of 50 - 60 knots, equating to 7 on the Beaufort scale, near gale force, would explain why there were fewer in August 2024 as well. The crossings are undeniably weather dependant, so the figures are somewhat skewed.

I’ll say it again. It’s the trend you need to look for. One day’s figures is a nonsense comparator, one month’s figures can be due to specific factors, one season’s figures can be due to weather, although unlikely for three consecutive months, one year’s figures is a reasonable way to look at whether change is happening.

We seem to have enough money to give them board and lodging. No wonder the pensioners are an easy target. Disgrace..

winterwhite

If capable immigrants were allowed to work, their contribution would be positive.
Much of this thread is close to hate talk.

Indeed, is ever thus.
Demonising, dehumanising, and often Islamophobic.
And seeing as over a million refugees from Netanyahus valiant attempts to keep Israel safe by endangering everyone else (disclaimer I do not support Hamas or Hezbollah or refuse to mourn the deaths of those killed in Oct 7th) I imagine this hate speech will ramp up substantially and any refugees that come here will instantly be branded terrorists because they are Muslim.

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Babs03 you couldn’t be further from my mindset if you tried.

My closest neighbours are strict Muslins and very good friends, one of my closest girlfriends is Muslim.

They are very worried about the disproportionate number of males arriving here.