Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

Wyllow3

Casdon

www.gov.uk/government/news/g7-nations-agree-new-plan-to-dismantle-migrant-smuggling-gangs
Last week.

Thank you Casdon, a very positive move, I didn't know. Just shows how when something positive happens it gets ignored.

This co- operation has been going on for some time.
We had a big breakthrough in 2022 working with our eu neighbours.

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/prolific-small-boats-people-smuggling-network-dismantled-as-part-of-international-operation

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petra

Wyllow3

Casdon

www.gov.uk/government/news/g7-nations-agree-new-plan-to-dismantle-migrant-smuggling-gangs
Last week.

Thank you Casdon, a very positive move, I didn't know. Just shows how when something positive happens it gets ignored.

This co- operation has been going on for some time.
We had a big breakthrough in 2022 working with our eu neighbours.

www.nationalcrimeagency.gov.uk/news/prolific-small-boats-people-smuggling-network-dismantled-as-part-of-international-operation

You’ve not read it petra, I don’t think, this is a new deal?

Yes, its a a new deal, read the difference.

Can you dispute these official figures though?

“BRITAIN has more illegal migrants than any other European nation, a major study has found.

There are up to 745,000 illegal migrants in the UK, accounting for one in 100 of the population, according to the research led by Oxford University experts. This is more than double the 300,000 in France and ahead of the upper estimate of 700,000 in Germany, which has the second largest population of illegal migrants in Europe.

The figures were disclosed as the Home Office said 973 migrants in 17 small boats crossed the English Channel on Saturday, the biggest daily number so far this year,”

there are 745,000 illegal migrants in the uk and counting.
People who manage sewage treatment plants dispute this figure.

How much of this is going on right on our doorstep?
For what it’s worth I cried for these men.
If a company as huge as McDonalds can get away with this for years, how deep does it go?

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m0023h3b

Let's hope for a very stormy winter to deter sailing!

petra

^there are 745,000 illegal migrants in the uk^ and counting.
People who manage sewage treatment plants dispute this figure.

This is intriguing, do tell us more, petra. Do they have some way of identifying the excreta of people who have arrived in the uk by 'illegal' means?

Sarnia

Let's hope for a very stormy winter to deter sailing!

Dear me, what have we become.

Eggplant, very, very worried.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

Can you dispute these official figures though?

“BRITAIN has more illegal migrants than any other European nation, a major study has found.

There are up to 745,000 illegal migrants in the UK, accounting for one in 100 of the population, according to the research led by Oxford University experts. This is more than double the 300,000 in France and ahead of the upper estimate of 700,000 in Germany, which has the second largest population of illegal migrants in Europe.

The figures were disclosed as the Home Office said 973 migrants in 17 small boats crossed the English Channel on Saturday, the biggest daily number so far this year,”

The overall figure could well be right, it will be the effect of decades of minimal control systems, mainly on people who were here on short term work and student visas who stay on illegally I would guess. I’ve said, as have others, many times on here, that the over concentration of the media and Gransnetters on boat migrants completely ignores the real issue, which is the overall migration number, and the lack of an ID card system and checking system.

I wish we adopted ID cards as in Europe. Our ‘black economy’ facilitates under the radar malpractice. It’s definitely a pull factor for irregular migrants. We are too soft.

I wish we adopted ID cards as in Europe. Our ‘black economy’ facilitates under the radar malpractice. It’s definitely a pull factor for irregular migrants. We are too soft.

Agree 100%

I would go further and make it impossible to access basic facilities (doctors/housing/education/ etc) without an ID card. No way to buy in shops, stay in hotels, exchange money, open a bank account and so forth.

Hopefully, we’ll see some effective measures soon that can lead to lasting change.

I had a discussion with a group of French people about school uniform the other day. One of them said she thought it was an infringement of personal liberty.
I said that they might be interested to know that many British people did not agree with ID cards because they think they infringe personal liberty. They were astonished and said, "Why on earth do they think that?"
(I agree with school uniform and ID cards).

pascal30

I think that with the state of the world that this is realistically the future for this country...

I too agree with the sentiments of pascal30! I have often thought as well that the world will soon be like the dystopian film 'Waterworld'.
I have never fe!t so worried for the future of my children & their little ones. 🤔

biglouis

*I wish we adopted ID cards as in Europe. Our ‘black economy’ facilitates under the radar malpractice. It’s definitely a pull factor for irregular migrants. We are too soft.*

Agree 100%

I would go further and make it impossible to access basic facilities (doctors/housing/education/ etc) without an ID card. No way to buy in shops, stay in hotels, exchange money, open a bank account and so forth.

At the risk of using a common comparison, this is how Jews were treated in 1930s Germany. Do you really want someone in a uniform stopping you outside a shop and demanding to see your papers? Or do you consider yourself safe from this restriction as you are (I assume) a white woman?

They are doubling the size of the immigration processing centre near us. The place is shrouded in secrecy - used to be a Fire Service training establishment. It is now impossible to see inside. There are never any signs of life, and I wonder when migrants are moved - at night?

I query the numbers someone posted up thread about the uk having the most immigrants. That simply can’t be right. We really do need to be careful of who is producing these numbers and what their interests might be in the matter.

Germany took in a million Syrian asylum seekers in 2016 alone, never mind the rest who have come in the intervening 8 years. Also if using numbers not from this most recent asylum increase, there is a large Turkish population which have been living there for many years.

As for being worried, the refugees I know in Germany are honest, hardworking, decent and very grateful to have been given safe haven in their new country. There are bad apples of course, we have plenty of our own home grown variety, but we can’t think that all or most Johnny foreigners are criminals. They are not.

According to people here they are rapists and pick pockets.

Until of course, you might need something.

biglouis

*I wish we adopted ID cards as in Europe. Our ‘black economy’ facilitates under the radar malpractice. It’s definitely a pull factor for irregular migrants. We are too soft.*

Agree 100%

I would go further and make it impossible to access basic facilities (doctors/housing/education/ etc) without an ID card. No way to buy in shops, stay in hotels, exchange money, open a bank account and so forth.

That’s not fair. A lot of elderly rely on using cash- it’s not a crime to use paper money if that person chooses to do so

You need paper work to open a bank account, don’t you?

MaizieD

petra

there are 745,000 illegal migrants in the uk and counting.
People who manage sewage treatment plants dispute this figure.

This is intriguing, do tell us more, petra. Do they have some way of identifying the excreta of people who have arrived in the uk by 'illegal' means?

😂 No. it’s volume.