Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

Eggplant, why might I need something from a pickpocket?

meddijess

They are doubling the size of the immigration processing centre near us. The place is shrouded in secrecy - used to be a Fire Service training establishment. It is now impossible to see inside. There are never any signs of life, and I wonder when migrants are moved - at night?

I'm glad to hear that we are at last making moves to process people more quickly. It was failing so badly numbers built up because Rwanda was seen as The Answer and is clearly a priority!

As for secrecy at night etc well thats just weird - I presume its not yet open or fully open.

Syracute

Rwanda would never have worked . That much is clear if you looked at it in detail . Just something to appease and not a viable solution . Plus insanely expensive .

You are so right.

I do recall anyone here suggesting that criminals without leave to remain should stay here, they should definitely be sent back from whence they came.

However, those saying this is a worldwide issue are so right, and it takes almost the entire world to come to mutually acceptable solutions to this, which work, are humane and are cost effective.

Don’t you already have ID cards in the form of driving licences which have to be shown for certain things? If not licences you have to have photo ID don’t you ? To open bank accounts, go to certain eating places ( RSL) buy large items. Surely ?

Sorry that should read “don’t recall”, not “do recall”

(Edit button for bumblers like myself!)

silverlining48

I query the numbers someone posted up thread about the uk having the most immigrants. That simply can’t be right. We really do need to be careful of who is producing these numbers and what their interests might be in the matter.

Germany took in a million Syrian asylum seekers in 2016 alone, never mind the rest who have come in the intervening 8 years. Also if using numbers not from this most recent asylum increase, there is a large Turkish population which have been living there for many years.

As for being worried, the refugees I know in Germany are honest, hardworking, decent and very grateful to have been given safe haven in their new country. There are bad apples of course, we have plenty of our own home grown variety, but we can’t think that all or most Johnny foreigners are criminals. They are not.

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nanna8

Don’t you already have ID cards in the form of driving licences which have to be shown for certain things? If not licences you have to have photo ID don’t you ? To open bank accounts, go to certain eating places ( RSL) buy large items. Surely ?

Yes, ID is needed for opening a bank account and such, but posters such as BigLouis were suggesting that ID cards should be shown when anyone needs medical services, education, buy food etc., a very different scenario and one which I want no part of.

nanna8

Don’t you already have ID cards in the form of driving licences which have to be shown for certain things? If not licences you have to have photo ID don’t you ? To open bank accounts, go to certain eating places ( RSL) buy large items. Surely ?

No, many people do not drive or have passports, there’s no legal obligation.

For me, I have zero issues with ID cards, BUT certainly would not wish to be asked to show it every time I shopped/stayed in a UK Hotel/went into a restaurant/museum etc etc

Sounds very 1984!

silverlining48

I query the numbers someone posted up thread about the uk having the most immigrants. That simply can’t be right. We really do need to be careful of who is producing these numbers and what their interests might be in the matter.

Germany took in a million Syrian asylum seekers in 2016 alone, never mind the rest who have come in the intervening 8 years. Also if using numbers not from this most recent asylum increase, there is a large Turkish population which have been living there for many years.

As for being worried, the refugees I know in Germany are honest, hardworking, decent and very grateful to have been given safe haven in their new country. There are bad apples of course, we have plenty of our own home grown variety, but we can’t think that all or most Johnny foreigners are criminals. They are not.

On question time Zia Yusuf, chairman of the Reform party said that the UK takes more refugees per capita than other countries. He was shot down in flames by Fiona Bruce. However further into the programme, Fiona Bruce apologised as she had just been informed that Mr Yusuf was correct and the UK does take more refugees!

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

I don’t want to say the B word but it’s gone much worse since then, I suppose it was one of the benefits of being in the EU. They need to be processed through immigration and allowed to work until safe routes are developed.

eggplant

Sarnia

Let's hope for a very stormy winter to deter sailing!

Dear me, what have we become.

I think the poster thinks that if the weather is very stormy, it may put off people attempting such a dangerous crossing.

I agree with her actually.

silverlining48

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

Rubbish.

Nothing I say will make any difference so just best to get on with my own life and accept that our government, both now and the last one, are happy with the situation.

Send to the underpopulated areas like Scotland who like to receive them and welcome them .

I’m not sure you understand the system nanna8. They are distributed by central government throughout the UK already, each Local Authority area has responsibility.

nanna8

Send to the underpopulated areas like Scotland who like to receive them and welcome them .

It’s the same in Scotland as it is in the rest of the UK. There are those who welcome them and those who don’t.
Same re ID cards. There are those who have no problem with them and those who see them as something to be avoided.

Albanian Convicted criminal has been given leave to stay here now (although he came here illegally) because he got his Lithuanian girlfriend pregnant, who lives here! That is thanks to ECHR rules.

Sending them to areas of our country most of us don't want to live in may actually be one possible solution imo - ie wilder parts of Scotland.

But - yep....I'm another one that is worried about just how many extra people we have because the illegals keep coming and we are seen as a soft touch (even though many of our own are going short of what they need).

CariadAgain

Sending them to areas of our country most of us don't want to live in may actually be one possible solution imo - ie wilder parts of Scotland.

But - yep....I'm another one that is worried about just how many extra people we have because the illegals keep coming and we are seen as a soft touch (even though many of our own are going short of what they need).

I'd quite like to live in Scotland. The people there are hospitable and hardy. Perhaps ideal neighbours for those in need.

" illegal" is a nasty term.

I've said before that they should be allowed to work straightaway and given accommodation.
If after 6 months things haven't progressed, then at that point they need to be sent on their way.

I agree, we are a "soft touch". I had discussions about this with friends in France last month and asked why the immigrants weren't staying put there. They wryly replied that France isn't as generous to them as the UK, and that they are as good as being told that that UK will treat them better. In simple terms, the people of France don't want any more.
So much for a joined-up thinking!

Lisasngel10 here are just a few examples of how the ECHR has improved life for the UK population:

*Freedom of expression for the press comes from a case known as Sunday Times from 1979.

*The decriminalisation of homosexual acts in Northern Ireland came about thanks to a case called Dudgeon from 1981.

*A case called Smith and Grady made clear that banning LGBT+ people from serving in the Armed Forces breaches human rights.

*A Liberty case known as Eweida, said the State has to make sure private companies respect the religious freedom of their employees.

*A case called Goodwin made clear the State has a duty to provide disabled people with appropriate care.

IMO it will be a dark, dark day for this country if we leave the ECHR … that’s when I would really fear for the future and for my grandchildren.

....and yet I wonder how many of "our own" have problems getting due benefits?

I had several spells of unemployment back in the 1980's (ie until I got a job that I clung onto VERY determinedly until retirement). This was back before all the benefit cuts started being made in a lot of respects. So in I went and put in my claim for "Dole" money the first time this happened, filled in the form in person in front of a DWP person and she then proceeded to tell me the amount I was due - and it equated to what a married woman would get (ie no rent money)! (Bear in mind - my left hand was clearly on view - ie no wedding ring on it and I had clearly stated my single person cirumstances, including paying rent on a flatlet). Thankfully I was very well aware of what I was due for and I told her - to the penny - what they were due to pay me. She altered it - she did not apologise for the mistake/"mistake". I did miss out on a little bit later on getting back into work (as I thought Dole would be paying me only up to the day before I started work - but, at that time, they did make a transitional payment - which no-one told me about.......and so I lost that money).

I would be willing to bet there is great care taken to ensure the illegal immigrants get carefully told every penny they are due for....

HousePlantQueen

nanna8

Don’t you already have ID cards in the form of driving licences which have to be shown for certain things? If not licences you have to have photo ID don’t you ? To open bank accounts, go to certain eating places ( RSL) buy large items. Surely ?

Yes, ID is needed for opening a bank account and such, but posters such as BigLouis were suggesting that ID cards should be shown when anyone needs medical services, education, buy food etc., a very different scenario and one which I want no part of.

Bring it on. This happens in most of Europe,they live with it perfectly happily. We should too.

silverlining48

That is simply not true. According to the UK governments own figures the UK take lower numbers of refugees than average and are 17 th on the list of countries .
Not top. Nowhere near.

So headlines this morning are wrong are they. ??.