Almost 1,000 migrants crossed the Channel yesterday.

BevSec

Oreo obvs! 🤣🤣🤣

Waiting for your update on repression....it must be very Obvs?

Eggplant, gosh you are on the attack! We all know about the suppression of women under a regime like the Taliban. We all know that this country is not like that yet and I have made it very clear in previous posts that I worry about what the future holds for my granddaughters. You, I know, do not share that concern, regardless of how much illegal immigration is happening. From what I have read the actual numbers are being kept from us and downplayed from what they actually are. Many people I have spoken to share my concerns.

BevSec

Eggplant, gosh you are on the attack! We all know about the suppression of women under a regime like the Taliban. We all know that this country is not like that yet and I have made it very clear in previous posts that I worry about what the future holds for my granddaughters. You, I know, do not share that concern, regardless of how much illegal immigration is happening. From what I have read the actual numbers are being kept from us and downplayed from what they actually are. Many people I have spoken to share my concerns.

I most definitely share your concerns.

Shinamae, thank you.

Not really on the attack? More a curious bystander.

Happy to hear examples of repression.

^I most definitely share your concerns.%

Millions of others do too, but they feel silenced by accusations of being "far right" or, even worse, "a racist". You're walking a fine line if you express any sense of alarm or concern about the level of immigration now; socially and legally.

Exactly why I keep a lower profile on these threads nowadays. Some posters are goady then trigger happy to report. Echo chambers are so soothing aren’t they?

PuddyCat, thank you, its so good to know and I am really grateful for your support.

You're walking a fine line...not really.Feel free to express any concerns?

FriedGreenTomatoes, I do so agree, its probably best to keep a low profile, before I am arrested!

Britain are not the only European country to accept refugees, and we have not taken in the most.
It clearly suits some to believe differently. It appeals to our collective arrogance at being the best at this that and the other.

Logically as an island no one should seek refuge here because apparently those fleeing their homeland are supposed to claim asylum at the first safecountry they arrive at. Obviously this hasn’t happened as it should
This would be grossly unfair to whichever nations was nearest geographically to where the people are escaping from.

It has to be shared.

On the subject of ID I have managed for 63 years without photo ID, I don’t drive or have, want or need a passport.

All this codswallop about election fraud- they should maybe concentrate on making voting mandatory, that way we might achieve goverment by consensus, and introducing PR too so voters felt truly recognised and represented and that they have a stake.

Yet still I persist, living and functioning- just like before the smart phone we all managed.
If the government wants us to have ID they should provide it but first prove what good it would do and why we need it.

The last time this idea was mooted it was soundly objected to and “they” didn’t exactly go out of their way to sell it to us did they. Then it was dropped like a hot potato. Why I wonder 🤔

Granmarderby10 Just some information, No, asylum seekers do not have to apply in the first safe country.

"An asylum seeker (or asylum applicant) is a person who has applied for recognition as a refugee under the Refugee Convention, to which over 140 nations are signatories. There is no law that says asylum seekers must make their asylum claim in the first safe country they arrive in after leaving their country of origin."

Donald Tusk ( he of the EU commission) has stated that he will not accept any EU ruling on immigration when it threatens his country’s security. How times have changed.

www.euronews.com/my-europe/2024/10/12/polish-pm-says-he-wont-respect-eu-right-to-asylum-if-it-threatens-his-countrys-security

Petra, havent they just!

Granmarderby10
The last time this idea was mooted it was soundly objected to and “they” didn’t exactly go out of their way to sell it to us did they. Then it was dropped like a hot potato. Why I wonder 🤔

Possibly because they realised that like passports, credit cards etc. they would immediately be fraudulently copied.

Yes - I was thinking of all the fake IDs kids have to ‘prove’ they are 18 when they want to get a drink or enter licensed premises. They are just kids, novices but they manage it. Still it would be handy for those who don’t have passports or a driver’s license .

Mollygo

Granmarderby10
The last time this idea was mooted it was soundly objected to and “they” didn’t exactly go out of their way to sell it to us did they. Then it was dropped like a hot potato. Why I wonder 🤔

Possibly because they realised that like passports, credit cards etc. they would immediately be fraudulently copied.

Even if they include fingerprints and facial identification? (Which our French residency cards do, in line with the ID cards for French nationals).
We have been asked for our cards (so that our passports are not stamped) when entering or leaving the country, registering for hospital treatment, when making a significant financial transaction such as buying a house or signing a lease agreement for a car, and for voting (before we lost our votes through Brexit). We show our health cards for all medical treatment. Registering children for schools would also need the ID card as would the lease on any kind of property or registering for employment or benefits.
I am very grateful to have an official residency card; it proves my right to live here.

BevSec

Eggplant, gosh you are on the attack! We all know about the suppression of women under a regime like the Taliban. We all know that this country is not like that yet and I have made it very clear in previous posts that I worry about what the future holds for my granddaughters. You, I know, do not share that concern, regardless of how much illegal immigration is happening. From what I have read the actual numbers are being kept from us and downplayed from what they actually are. Many people I have spoken to share my concerns.

Maybe people want to escape regimes such as those run by the Taliban.

Britain is not the only European country to take in refugees, and we have not accepted the most

But size wise, we are quite small compared to France, say.

Where are they all supposed to be housed, for a start?

Quite so Calandergirl. Why do we need all this housing? People are "escaping to the country" as our cities become overpopulated with the increase in immigration as the Office of National Statistic figures reveal. Then when we deport people for crimes they sneak back in and claim their human rights enďorsed by the ECHR. Ul

Mamie
I’d like us to have ID cards,
We have to provide proof of identity for so many things-whether it’s by showing something or answering multiple questions for so many things today.
However, there are multiple reasons given for why not, the fraudulent reproduction of cards being one.
Others I’ve heard mentioned are
We don’t have to copy the EU
It’s an infringement of my civil liberty
I don’t want all my details kept in some computer, in view of how they can be hacked / how they can crash
I’ve managed all my life without one and I don’t need one now.
How would they set them up?
Will it show my preferred gender?
The latest one was that the cost of providing them would make the black hole even bigger.
It’ll be a brave government who puts ID cards into effect in the UK.

I agree Mollygo.
We should have identity cards. They should show our photo and our fingerprints. Blair wanted us all to have identity cards but the rest of the Labour Party objected. Blair was right.

Whats has Blair the then L Party have to do with it?

Objections to ID cards come from across the political spectrum. After all, 14 years under the Conservatives failed to bring them in.

People have politically different reasons for liking or not liking them.

Tony Blair tried last year to get the id card issue back on the political agenda. The ex-Tory chairman Sir Jake Berry branded digital IDs 'a creepy state plan to track you from the cradle to the grave'. Johnson, Sunak et al were all vehement opponents, as is Farage. I suspect Starmer would introduce them if he thought the public had the stomach for it - I’m not sure they do.

Casdon

Tony Blair tried last year to get the id card issue back on the political agenda. The ex-Tory chairman Sir Jake Berry branded digital IDs 'a creepy state plan to track you from the cradle to the grave'. Johnson, Sunak et al were all vehement opponents, as is Farage. I suspect Starmer would introduce them if he thought the public had the stomach for it - I’m not sure they do.

There’s no chance of getting ID cards if those in power won’t do it, either because they themselves are against it or because they’re afraid of the public reaction.