Have the Conservatives signed their own death warrant?

Bear in mind that Jenricks' donations and gifts list are both very high and he has a history around a dodgy planning decisions.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1340994-Robert-Jenrick-accepts-75k-in-donations-from-company-with-unclear-origins

Whether it will be subject to the same level of shock horror headlines is another matter.

Whether it will be subject to the same level of shock horror headlines is another matter

Oh I very much doubt that it will Wyllow🤷‍♀️

I expect they are looking at Farage and seeing the number of his followers steadily growing so they want to substitute themselves for his party on the lines of if you can’t beat’em, join’em. May work, may not but they have a few years to find out and the Labour Party isn’t looking too good just now so that will encourage them.

This Conservative leader election will result in a William Hague moment …. I have a horrible feeling that Boris Johnson will be resurrected further down the line.

If BJ had teamed up with NF they would have had a resounding landslide victory at the polls.

OMG BevSec … what a terrible thought!

Lizziedrip, my dream team 😘

BevSec

If BJ had teamed up with NF they would have had a resounding landslide victory at the polls.

Can you imagine the clash of the egos as Farage and Johnson vie for attention?

BevSec

If BJ had teamed up with NF they would have had a resounding landslide victory at the polls.

No they wouldn't. That is just a pipe dream. easily as many people loathe Johnson and hold Farage in contempt as like them.

You have only to look at the resurgence of the Lib Dems to see that voters as a whole are centrist, and many are still worried by Labours swing to the extreme left under Jeremy Corbyn and how much power his supporters still wield.

Turnout at the last election was very low, 40% of the electorate can see no point in voting. The interesting thing is that in the 20 constituencies with the highest turn out (70% plus), almost all changed hands going from Conservative to Lib Dems, while in the constituencies with the lowest turnout (less than 50%) almost all were Labour before the election and did not change hands. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/general-election-2024-turnout/

Wyllow3

Bear in mind that Jenricks' donations and gifts list are both very high and he has a history around a dodgy planning decisions.

www.gransnet.com/forums/news_and_politics/1340994-Robert-Jenrick-accepts-75k-in-donations-from-company-with-unclear-origins

Whether it will be subject to the same level of shock horror headlines is another matter.

I expect it will be. Not the shock horror about donations so much, because we’re all more aware of them now. I expect there’ll be lots of defensive cries of You criticised Starmer et al, but look what Jenrick did.

But as I’ve said before, one person doing something wrong, doesn’t justify the same actions by someone else.

The Tory talent pool has been whittled down - first by the Buffoon getting rid of some of the most intelligent Tory MPs and second by the electorate voting many out. So they are left with a very limited talent pool.

I believe that some Conservative M.P.s were using their vote tactically , voting to keep out a candidate rather than for a candidate, as they believed Cleverley was safely there. They got it very wrong.

HousePlantQueen

BevSec

If BJ had teamed up with NF they would have had a resounding landslide victory at the polls.

Can you imagine the clash of the egos as Farage and Johnson vie for attention?

If a Johnson-led Conservative/Farage alliance had won the election, we could have forgotten about the country being governed for five years and just watched the verbal boxing box (all for entertainment and boosting the participants' speaking fees).

Monica, .i agree turnout was low which is such a pity, but I beg to differ with you, BJ did have a resounding landslide victory which would only have been strengthened with Reform on board.

BevSec

Monica, .i agree turnout was low which is such a pity, but I beg to differ with you, BJ did have a resounding landslide victory which would only have been strengthened with Reform on board.

He had a resounding landslide victory. Things changed.

I think we were all well aware of the corruption in the Tory party after the revelations about Covid contracts etc, but the press didn't make much too much of them, in much the same way as they diverted attention from wild parties with suitcases of wine and vomiting in corridors by accusing Starmer and Rayner of having curry and a beer after a legally sanctioned meeting.

I can guess how this will play out.
Tories take donations and in return the donors get contracts.

Labour complains.

Labour ministers get donations that are not linked to billion pound contracts and they are accused of hypocrisy.

The next generation of Tories take donations and we will be told that nobody should complain because they are only doing what the others have done. Probably with further splutterings about how the Labour Party is hypocritical, as anyone supporting Labour is a hypocrite unless they live in a council house on minimum wage, drink beer and eat tinned baked beans twice a week.

Then there will be calls to have all donations scrapped with nothing by way of a replacement plan to fund election campaigns, and if this is not resisted we are doomed to be governed by extremely rich leaders from wealthy (by any definition) leaders.

Growstuff, yes ever more to the right, Europe too.

I listened yesterday to pm on Radio Four as supporters of the two candidates pitched their preference.
I was somewhat amused to hear Mr Jenrick's campaign manager promote his candidate to avoid an " irascible " leader.
Hmm- so a Conservative MP suggests that Ms Badenoch might be ..." irascible "..how interesting.

All the claims that we never heard anything about corruption during the last government surprise me.

there were endless complaints about actions of the Tory Party, including corruption. They were one of the reasons the LP were voted in.
And one reason for the increased interest, awareness and disappointment over the new government.

The blog Turbulent Times today takes a very different approach. It suggests that Badenoch is biased in favour of Nigeria and basically how about a potential pm from a proper British family. I sort of gulped when reading this.

BevSec

If BJ had teamed up with NF they would have had a resounding landslide victory at the polls.

Absolutely not. Just as in France, many who don't usually vote would have turned up to prevent this from happening. Just too scary and extreme for the vast majority, and especially young people.

BevSec

Growstuff, yes ever more to the right, Europe too.

It's worrying.

But isn't a policy that removes subsidies and allowances right wing? Right wing politics are about self-sufficiency and a Small State which leaves people to get on with it - not about paying people's bills, yet the howls of protest about the means-testing of the WFP are coming from the right. It is the political Left that believes in a Large State, with collectively financed institutions that are free at point of use for everyone, and a welfare safety net for those who fall through the cracks.

Do the people complaining realise what living under a Far Right government would mean? Obviously actual policies vary according to who is in control, but things like state health and education systems are Big State, and therefore not approved of by the Far Right, and this applies to state pensions too.

Farage has made no secret of the fact that he would dismantle the NHS, and this would have a much more obvious impact on people's lives than the loss of £200 a year. I am not minimising the value of the WFP to a lot of people on the edge of PC, incidentally. I have often said on here that I think the whole thing has been handled very badly. But very many people will not struggle as a result of no longer getting it, and in my experience they are the ones doing the complaining.

There are, and have been, so many threads on this, and many more end up discussing it, so sorry if I've already said this on this one (I can't look back as I'm using my phone) but I was out for lunch with two friends soon after the WFP plans were announced. The conversation was about one person's lovely holiday (two weeks in a luxury hotel on the French Riviera), and the other's £30k new kitchen, we had a lunch that cost about £40 each (it was a celebration) and then the subject of the WFP came up and they both behaved as though they'd had a 50% cut in take home pay that would result in their destitution. And they called Keir Starmer hypocritical! . My blood pressure is rising just remembering it .

Grantanow

The Tory talent pool has been whittled down - first by the Buffoon getting rid of some of the most intelligent Tory MPs and second by the electorate voting many out. So they are left with a very limited talent pool.

Exactly this. I have never voted Cons, but we are from a very Conservative voting family and have many excellent friends who are too. There was some amazing talent in the Cons Party- but all gone now, kicked out or left. People I did not agree with but with intelligence and integrity, and I could respect. Top of the list Dominic Grieve, Rory Stuart, but so many more.

ronib

The blog Turbulent Times today takes a very different approach. It suggests that Badenoch is biased in favour of Nigeria and basically how about a potential pm from a proper British family. I sort of gulped when reading this.

Unfortunately, there's some truth in it. While the comment about a 'proper British family' is racist, Badenoch does see British politics through the eyes of somebody who spent her formative years in Nigeria. When she first stood for parliament in 2010, she wanted to encourage more immigration from Nigeria. Her opinions are also a reflection of Nigerian thinking.

I'm with you 'Trueloveways' very amusing in a dark way.