The US Election.

MaizieD

Norah

J52

Norah

“we'll still be fine, albeit with perhaps higher prices, inflation, and interest rates.”

There are contributors to this forum who are currently not doing ‘fine’. I doubt if they want higher prices and inflation.

Of course.

However, we can't rely on POTUS to be our solution. He has a vast country with huge financial problems, which Americans must be expecting him to fix - or at least that is what his vote count says to me.

Jeez 🙄

Who, apart from the people who believed the Brexit lies, is relying on the POTUS to solve our financial problems?

I'm asserting we shouldn't rely on anyone else to solve our financial problems - I didn't vote for Brexit. However it happened.

Americans have a new POTUS who appears to want to levy heavy tariffs - may impact some of us negatively. He won't care.

Norah

As POTUS he needs to worry about the USA economy, not ours....

We know, we know - we understand what 'America First' means and that Trump was elected to deal with the American economy, but we are talking about the effect his tariffs will have on our economy - sort of a separate issue kind of thing?

Or perhaps you expect economists, industry and commerce to ignore the implications and, well - not discuss them?

I just don't understand why you keep insisting that "we'll be fine" because - higher prices, inflation and interest rates really are not fine.

Of course we'll "carry on" - that's academic. I just don't get why you appear determined to gloss over the effect these tariffs might have on our economy.

Of course there's damned all I or any other individual on GN can do about it, but we are discussing it because it's what people do after a major political 'event'. It's how we evaluate our own plans and action to mitigate any fall out from it.

I'm asserting we shouldn't rely on anyone else to solve our financial problems

So you are, Norah, but who is, is the question I asked.

You are implying that we are relying on POTUS to solve our financial problems. I am asking just who is doing that? Apart from the nutters who sold Brexit on the back of a wonderful trade deal with the US.

Also pointing out that, however unconcerned you might be about our economy, we exist in a global economy and what other countries do will inevitably affect the UK economy.

I haven't checked the stats recently, but a couple of years ago the US was the UK's single biggest trading partner. From memory, the US made up about 25% of the UK's foreign trade. If those figures haven't changed, I don't see how US protectionism won't affect the UK economy.

MaizieD

^I'm asserting we shouldn't rely on anyone else to solve our financial problems^

So you are, Norah, but who is, is the question I asked.

You are implying that we are relying on POTUS to solve our financial problems. I am asking just who is doing that? Apart from the nutters who sold Brexit on the back of a wonderful trade deal with the US.

Also pointing out that, however unconcerned you might be about our economy, we exist in a global economy and what other countries do will inevitably affect the UK economy.

I assume answer to your question is people who voted Brexit - moving along, of course we care to our economy and the global economy. However, I'm not sure how fretting over new POTUS policy helps us sort ours.

I know I must be missing something. More than half of the American voters are delighted - it was 'the economy, stupid' and though I find him deplorable, I hope he fixes their economy.

Mt61

Fleurpepper, he’s probably put a lot of money into the USA, built businesses & employed an awful lot of people, he hasn’t just landed with a rucksack on his back.

Well he did- as a poor student, on a student visa. Many immigrants, including illegal ones, do contribute very much to society, working hard, contributing to the economy in so many ways with their labour, and paying taxes.

Norah

MaizieD

Norah

J52

Norah

“we'll still be fine, albeit with perhaps higher prices, inflation, and interest rates.”

There are contributors to this forum who are currently not doing ‘fine’. I doubt if they want higher prices and inflation.

Of course.

However, we can't rely on POTUS to be our solution. He has a vast country with huge financial problems, which Americans must be expecting him to fix - or at least that is what his vote count says to me.

Jeez 🙄

Who, apart from the people who believed the Brexit lies, is relying on the POTUS to solve our financial problems?

I'm asserting we shouldn't rely on anyone else to solve our financial problems - I didn't vote for Brexit. However it happened.

Americans have a new POTUS who appears to want to levy heavy tariffs - may impact some of us negatively. He won't care.

Well, we could agree with this. However, it is fair to state that Brexit was voted, partly on the basis that we would somehow swap deals we had with Europe, with a mega super deal with the USA- and that it was a massive fraudulent lie.

It doesn't help us, I know. But we do end up with an economy that has been scuppered for private interests by the Tories- no deal with Europe, and no deal with the USA either- our two biggest trading partners. This is terrible news for all of us.

And never mind the economy, where does that leave us, in this present truly dangerous world, with regards to safety?

Do you mean the UK or the whole of Europe, Fleurpepper?

It seems wrong to me that world politics has to be keeping one eye on what’s happening in America given that each president has a four year term and two years of that seems to be campaigning for the next election. It’s very worrying that both Putin and Netanyahu wanted Trump to be president again.

Fleurpepper

And never mind the economy, where does that leave us, in this present truly dangerous world, with regards to safety?

Where does the American election leave us? Or?

Yes, indeed.

Meantime, this is interesting - who voted for whom

www.facebook.com/share/p/14tAgL6p6L/

Fleurpepper

Mt61

Fleurpepper, he’s probably put a lot of money into the USA, built businesses & employed an awful lot of people, he hasn’t just landed with a rucksack on his back.

Well he did- as a poor student, on a student visa. Many immigrants, including illegal ones, do contribute very much to society, working hard, contributing to the economy in so many ways with their labour, and paying taxes.

Illegal immigrants paying taxes, how do you work that one out. To pay taxes you need to be registered to work, NI number or whatever registration needed in the US. They get paid cash in hand, the tax man sees nothing of it. A bit of vat, whoopee do.

Allira

Do you mean the UK or the whole of Europe, Fleurpepper?

I meant the UK- No longer part of EU, and without other true allies, so very isolated, economically and from the point of security. Trump does not give a monkey's about the UK- unless he, like Putin, XiPin and Kim Jung-un - want to further destabilise Europe and want to use the UK to help with that. He will use Farage, Meloni, Lepen, Oban and anyone else they can manipulate.

But there has never been a time where a united and strong Europe is vital to face the true difficulties and challenges of the current world.

Don’t worry about us Fleurpepper isolated economically and security wise we’ll muddle on as we always do.😁

Germany's coalition has collapsed so they're not very united, most European countries are dealing with their own domestic issues and divisions.

Oh well that’s something that he had a visa

Fleurpepper is right in my opinion. It doesn’t matter that individual European countries have internal challenges, what matters is that we work together to preserve what we value - Europe is much closer to the values of the UK than anywhere else, and the USA really is as foreign a country as any.

Mt61

Oh well that’s something that he had a visa

Fleurpepper

Student visas are very strict and for the limited period of study. Those who stay beyond are illegals. Like many illegals, he did very well in the end, and somehow his situation was legalised. We don't know how, as there are no normal routes to do so. Many illegals do end up contributing hugely, one way or another. But illegal he was- there is no denying this.

What do you mean Oreo with your 'don't worry about 'us'. I do worry about us, me included, my OH included, my children and grandchildren, family and friends. US.

Mt61

Oh well that’s something that he had a visa

Presumably, as he had Canadian citizenship through his mother, he would have been granted a three year visa as a matter of routine.

It happens everywhere that people overstay the length of their visas.

Apparently Putin has praised Trump and says he is ready for dialogue.
Yep I bet he is.
This will be the double act from hell.

Yes, and become illegal immigrants. Either this is OK, or it is not.

One of my cousins did the same, from Canada. She was working and earning a good wage- and was one of the very many who benefited from an Amnesty. Can't remember which year that was and under which President. She was working in the film industry and the Met Opera in NY.

Some immigrants arrived here as children and may not even realise their status needed to be regularised.

Babs03

Apparently Putin has praised Trump and says he is ready for dialogue.
Yep I bet he is.
This will be the double act from hell.

Yes - it out already.

www.npr.org/2024/11/07/nx-s1-5183184/russia-putin-ready-engage-trump

As predicted, anxieties about the future of Ukraine with Trump as POTUS are entirely justified

"He claimed that "Russia didn't ruin relations with the U.S. and is open to reviving them, but the ball is in the Americans' court."

Putin said he did not know what might come of Trump’s promise to negotiate a quick end to the war in Ukraine, suggesting the president-elect's proposals are worth studying.

Trump has criticized the scale of U.S. aid to Ukraine — which has surpassed $100 billion since Russia's invasion of Ukraine in 2022 — feeding fears in Kyiv and the European Union that Trump intends to impose peace largely on Moscow’s terms."