The US Election.

FGT2 I don’t know anything about the Telegraph, but I believe you are following some misinformation.

By all means - do follow all the arbiters of truth… the bookies! 😉
Let’s catch up after the election.

I agree with what Republican Geoff Duncan just said: " He and other Republican officials who are backing Harris are “truly, genuinely embarrassed every time (Trump) sees a microphone or a camera, every time he walks and talks to the military, every time he speaks about faith, every time he talks about fiscal conservatism — he’s a fraud.”

The only thing we do know is that it’s going to be very close, I’m relaxed, the world didn’t end when Trump was president last time, he wouldn’t be my choice, in the same was that Johnson wasn’t.
Will Trump do as much damage as Johnson - probably not

I agree, I suspect he may win but I dont think the world will end.

I still have a lingering hope that enough Americans with more than one brain cell will vote for a person with integrity, fundamental morality and a grasp of reality ie not Trump.

The world won't end but it will hasten the change in world order to the detriment of the Western world. IMO Trump is bad news for anyone who cares about democracy and stable government .

Not just the bookies Grundy I quoted the gold markets too.

You have to give Trump kudos (his PR) for pulling the McDonald’s stunt! Optics count in an election for the masses. Not every voter has a high I.Q. so politicians have to engage in different ways!

Remember Boris with the JCB smashing the polystyrene brick wall to ‘Get Brexit Done’?

We see our politicians doing mundane ordinary things why not Trump.
I do question the intelligence of voters, UK voters elected Johnson and we are still suffering from that, US voters probably won’t do more damage if they do elect Trump, so let’s not claim any high ground.

Remember Boris with the JCB smashing the polystyrene brick wall to ‘Get Brexit Done’?

Of course. And we are living with the aftermath of electing a self seeking, corrupt, narcissistic, mendacious, idle and incompetent individual. Which is why some of us are deeply worried by Trump.

David49

We see our politicians doing mundane ordinary things why not Trump.
I do question the intelligence of voters, UK voters elected Johnson and we are still suffering from that, US voters probably won’t do more damage if they do elect Trump, so let’s not claim any high ground.

I don’t think it’s to do with IQ, I think it’s a combination of factors - feeling you are hard done by, a lack of interest in corruption as a means to get the result you want, and gullibility. However base their motives, some would be leaders have the charisma to appeal to the voters who fall into one or all of those categories - and they use force if all else fails.

Trump is like a cartoon Bond villain!

I don’t understand why the British media have given Trumps McDonalds stunt so much coverage. He also said that Harris lied about working at McDonalds which I would assume is a false accusation?

MaizieD

^Remember Boris with the JCB smashing the polystyrene brick wall to ‘Get Brexit Done’?^

Of course. And we are living with the aftermath of electing a self seeking, corrupt, narcissistic, mendacious, idle and incompetent individual. Which is why some of us are deeply worried by Trump.

I’m not.
And I think Boris would make a better fist of things now, post Covid.
Anyway, Trump will win in my opinion (and others) so that’s something.

Also shows how these populist politicians ( I use the word politician lightly) have incredibly rich backers which makes one wonder what’s in it for them. And question why poor people think they’re there to help them.

Because they dont in any way feel represented by current governments.

But why do they think Trump or Reform represent them other than the fact they say they do?

Perhaps they dont keep telling them they are stupid.
Both Johnson and Farage whether we like it or not have an ability to tap into the views of some of the population and to communicate with people.
If I am being honest I would say that the left or the centre left have become achingly middle class and that alienates many people. It probably alienates me and I am middle class!

I dont pretend to know America well but I guess something similar is happening there.

Hope it's not linked to this MayBee

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c33v3klkdy8o

Obviously I mean the McDonald's stunt!

He's going to win. Win bigly. So very bigly. 😁

Ah you're adopting his general illiteracy Friedgreentomatoes2.

David49

The only thing we do know is that it’s going to be very close, I’m relaxed, the world didn’t end when Trump was president last time, he wouldn’t be my choice, in the same was that Johnson wasn’t.
Will Trump do as much damage as Johnson - probably not

Let us not forget January 6th . It was a terrible event in the USA history . People died . If it wasn’t for the quick thinking of one Capitol police officer who helped politicians to safety by misdirecting the rioters it could have been far worse . Please don’t minimise how dangerous Trump will be . Last time there were people who kept him from making dangerous decisions this time that may not be the case .

Let's not forget if Trump wins support for Ukraine is likely to be withdrawn - he wants to force a "compromise" where Ukraine gives up territory.

He intends to dismantle any independent judiciary. He intends that the FBI will no longer be independent by having it led by political appointees.

Forget it if you are poor and desperately need medical care including cancer beyond the most basic treatment. It ain't going to get better.

He will do nothing about the appalling gun culture where individuals can buy automatic weapons in many states with no checks.

Trump cares about one thing only, and thats his narcissistic desire to be POTUS. He can't work as a team. He really believes he knows more on a whole slew of subjects and shown only gross ignorance. Its all image.

I take the warnings of his past chiefs of staff regarding the military very, very seriously.

I still laugh out loud at him calling Elizabeth Warren (who claimed to have Red Indian - sorry, Native American - ancestry) Pocahontas.