The US Election.

Midlanders are aghast at the thought of being termed Northerners Bab03! 😁

Throughout my child hood and teenage years in Essex I honestly thought that Birmingham was a Northern city.

MaizieD

😂 speaking as a Southerner, albeit a long time resident of Yorkshire and places further north, I have never used or heard the term North of the border used to describe the industrial North.

The correct term is, of course, North of Watford Gap...

Midlanders are aghast at the thought of being termed Northerners Bab03! 😁

😂 speaking as a Southerner, albeit a long time resident of Yorkshire and places further north, I have never used or heard the term North of the border used to describe the industrial North.

The correct term is, of course, North of Watford Gap...

I think North of the border means Scotland to most people, even those living in the South, so I was puzzled too. Thanks for the clarification.

However, it is still happening, West of the UK now as the last blast furnace in Port Talbot closed recently.

I imagine the story of the rust belt in the US is similar.

MaizieD

North of what border in the UK, Babs?

I agree on the whole with what you've said.

Am taking about the Midlands, Lancashire, the North East etc. North of the border is simply a phrase used by people in the South but appreciate is a bit obtuse.
I was brought up in a mill town in Lancashire, and can recall when it was thriving, when most people had a job and so could live a full and purposeful life. That all changed when the primary sector collapsed and people who were once the lifeblood of this country, providing the wealth that made it great, were unceremoniously thrown on the scrap heap. Now the town I was proud to grow up in has become a place where racial riots regularly take place, where Pakistani people brought in when needed several decades ago to run the mills, are targeted by far right groups who blame them for their misfortunes.
All of this is down to massive government failures since the 1970s, not immigration.

Indeed. Rory Stewart, Alastair Campbell, Marina Hyde all unable to understand. Privately educated, Oxbridge, etc etc, links to the royal family, of course they dont understand.

The throwing the toys out of the pram and going the full Emily Maitless, as some KH supporters are prone to do, that and Rory Stewart's hung dog expression, the morning after kind of demonstrates an irrational lofty attitude of "I'm so right and you're so wrong" it's so alienating, often emanating from a privileged elite and not representative of the working classes who should be the core base of a left leaning party.

North of what border in the UK, Babs?

I agree on the whole with what you've said.

Babs - spot on

Bernice Saunders, like Jeremy Corbyn would never win an election. They sit on the sidelines being Pure but will never appeal to more conservative thinkers (small c)

Babs - you are right.👍

The thing is the working classes aren’t going to be championed by the Republican Party either. The smoke and mirrors act performed by Trump and the Tories in the UK, scapegoating immigrants for all the working classes ills won’t make their lot in life any better. The Tories flogged that horse to death for 14 years.
The only way to champion the working classes is to create jobs that aren’t there due to past governments getting rid of the primary sector. Thus resulted in the rust belt in the US, and an industrial wilderness North of the border in the UK.
Also the provision of public services for working classes is a must so that, particularly in the US, but increasingly in the UK, poorer citizens can access healthcare without going into debt.
Immigration is not the bogey man in all of this, and parties that flag it up as such are never going to actually turn the fortunes of the working classes around.

Yes the left have become the party of the middle class. And the middle class dont understand why the working class arent grateful to them.

Yes I agree with you on that Maybe, I would have voted for Obama when he was a prospective candidate. I would also add that I'm not a Trump supporter, as a woman, I wouldn't vote for him. Nevertheless, Kamala to me was a lacklustre candidate without any clear policies.

TerriBull

Words of wisdom from Bernie Sanders and plain common sense "it should be no surprise that a party who have abandoned the working classes, find that the working classes have abandoned them"

But what about Obamacare? The Republicans didn’t give them that.

EXPORTS, not experts...

J52

Norah
“I mean that their tariffs will be fine for us. We may find USA goods prices to go further up - prices aren't static. We'll be fine.”

Are you an Economist? Would you care to share your expert knowledge?

I'm completely failing to understand Norah's point, even though I think I have a reasonable grasp of economics. Tariffs will increase the price of UK products in the US, causing inflation there and more than likely a reduction in imports from the UK.
How will a reduction in experts to the US be fine for the UK?

Words of wisdom from Bernie Sanders and plain common sense "it should be no surprise that a party who have abandoned the working classes, find that the working classes have abandoned them"

PeggyT

why does a 10 y/o have problems with an election result? I think the education system is indoctrinating the children. when I was 10 years old, I was learning math and reading, geography, etc.

Why does my 10 year old granddaughter have a problem with the election results and why does my 6 year old have a problem when I called her mean.

If that is true someone, a parent or a reacher has indoctrinated the child, it’s really easy to do with a child, a student or impressionable adult. It certainly shouldn’t be any part of schooling.a 10yr old

I remember an incident from my school days, it was election time, probably Macmillans time, our English teacher was a well known Labour supporter, we were pretty aware of politics, one of my classmates had a poster of the local Tory candidate pinned to the underside of his desk top.
The teacher went ballistic, really angry, a pop star or pinup would have been OK not a Tory politician

Happy days!

why does a 10 y/o have problems with an election result? I think the education system is indoctrinating the children. when I was 10 years old, I was learning math and reading, geography, etc.

Why does my 10 year old granddaughter have a problem with the election results and why does my 6 year old have a problem when I called her mean.

Norah
“I mean that their tariffs will be fine for us. We may find USA goods prices to go further up - prices aren't static. We'll be fine.”

Are you an Economist? Would you care to share your expert knowledge?

Tonight, my son and daughter-in-law had to take my 10 y/o granddaughter to eat after gymnastics to discuss something that upset her at school about the election outcome. When, how, and why does a 10 y/o have such a traumatic response to an election??

Fleurpepper

Norah

Casdon

I don’t think the situation with tariffs would have been different whatever UK government was in power Fleurpepper, because it’s about the USA becoming more prosperous. Of course it’s a loss to our economy, as no doubt it will be worldwide, as they look internally for growth.

We already have Brexit, US tariffs will work out as well. Trump wants their economy to flourish and he has a decidedly inward view, in all ways it seems.

Sorry, I do not understand your post. What do you mean by
'US tariffs will work out as well'?

We were promised the best trade deal ever with the USA, during the Brexit campaign, which would more than compensate for the extra cost and difficulties of exports and imports to and from (geographically very close Europe). But this has not happened, and both are now combining to put prices in the UK even further up. At a time when the war in Ukraine and bad weather in Spain and other countries we import from have caused massive loss in production of fruit, veg, cereals and other essentials foods.

I mean that their tariffs will be fine for us. We may find USA goods prices to go further up - prices aren't static. We'll be fine.

Certainly we don't believe their economy to be in tandem with theirs or the EU? That ship sailed - if it ever existed.

They have their own quite high deficit and problems to solve.

I think you’re making a different point Fleurpepper? A new administration in the US or the Uk is not honour bound to protect a trade deal struck by another government, they set their own policy. I agree regarding the impact of Brexit, but that’s nothing to do with what Trump chooses to do now in his dealing with the UK or Europe?

Oreo

Galaxy

Rory Stewart is a perfect example of why trump won. Utterly out of touch, so convinced of his own goodness and will never understand.

👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

If Rory had followed me he’d have his winnings in the bank, as I have. 😂
As mentioned, completely out of touch.