The SNP are telling us there are 24 genders.

eazybee

As far as I am concerned people can call themselves what they want, as long as they do not attempt to force other people to accept their identification. It is when people are forced to accept these ridiculous definitions, 'he won't use my pronouns' that the trouble starts, and some unfortunate people are victimised and lose their jobs because of it.

That's part of the power trip. It's about compelling others to buy into your ideology, and policing their language, especially with the made up pronouns.

mae13 Let's see a trans man do all that! They would be screaming...... and there is a prime example of how confusion abounds. I think you're using trans man to denote a man who identifies as a woman, but in common usage a trans man is a woman who identifies as a man, who will have the ability to do all you list. Hence why we get those ridiculous headlines about 'man gives birth'.

Jackiest

Rosie51 I think it is only an ego trip because we make it one. If it is accepted that men and women can all act and do the same things and we have the same expectations from both and treat both identically then the only thing they can gain is using the women's changing rooms then that is not really something they can argue for on its own.

Let’s try applying that then, Jackiest.

Expectation

Neither males nor females will
lie about which sex they are,

nor hide that lie behind a socially constructed term,

nor use that lie to gain access to places reserved for the sex that they are not

nor use that lie to cheat in sport.

nor insist that have to lie and use vocabulary they know to be inaccurate

If we have those same expectations for both males and females and they agree to those expectations, it would be a start.

Jackiest

Rosie51 I think it is only an ego trip because we make it one. If it is accepted that men and women can all act and do the same things and we have the same expectations from both and treat both identically then the only thing they can gain is using the women's changing rooms then that is not really something they can argue for on its own.

Women and men can do most of the same things. Men can't have babies, and I strongly suspect that this is behind a lot of the problems.

For years, men dominated women - physically, financially, politically and in many other ways. Feminists' efforts have weakened this domination over the past 50 years, and women now are far less reliant on men than they used to be. Leaving emotional ties aside, women can bring up children without male input, and many no longer believe the spurious rationales for women being at home and men being 'providers'.

This means that men are stronger physically, but are no longer more powerful financially, and equality in education has made it clear that they are not intellectually superior either, but the clincher is that women can have babies and men can't. Put bluntly, and again leaving emotional ties aside, men can't be sure that they are bringing up only their own children. That is too much for some of them, so they are looking to reset the balance that made women subservient.

If they can infiltrate women's groups, women's spaces and women's lives they can weaken the bonds that strengthen women's lives.

If we no longer exist as a sex, we can't gather together without a male presence, and we don't have anywhere to call our own space, then we are less of a threat. If women can't cut out men by having sex with one another we are reliant on them there, too, unless we want to go back to a choice between marriage and a nunnery. If there are no reliable figures to show that women are suffering (because nobody knows what a woman is) and no language to describe the situation, then discussions are going to struggle, particularly as women can only meet with men present if they want to be.

They have played a very strategic game so far, relying on women's socialisation and general propensity to look for peaceful solutions to let them sneak up on us. They have harnessed slogans such as 'Be Kind' and persuaded people that transpeople are 'the most vulnerable group in society.

We are in Check, I think. If we don't want to reach Checkmate, we have to act quickly for the sake of our daughters and granddaughters.