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How Tiresome, Silly Young Woman Protests At King Charles

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mae13 Mon 21-Oct-24 18:24:35

Lidia Thorpe shouted about the odds for Aboriginal peoples, for the moment. Apparently, she has cultivated an attention seeking habit of all things Australian over the years. Silly woman. Me, me, me look at me!

Allira Tue 22-Oct-24 11:20:25

Jaberwok

No problem Allira! You last comment made me smile 🤗

It's true though!! 🤓
Much overdue.

Cossy Tue 22-Oct-24 11:46:07

Nannee49

Nothing silly about voicing the truth as the indigenous peoples of Australia see their history.

None whatsoever

Cossy Tue 22-Oct-24 11:47:11

LauraNorderr

When you haven’t been heard for over 200 years perhaps there is a need to shout a bit louder.

👏👏

Jaberwok Tue 22-Oct-24 11:56:20

Maybe, but to the correct person /s who in this case is not the King!

Allira Tue 22-Oct-24 12:16:16

I have no doubt that, were there to be another referendum on whether or not to keep the Monarch as Head of State, the vote would be for a Presidential system.

Australia is ethnically and culturally diverse and the majority of citizens have no direct links with Britain.
About 2.9% of the population is Aboriginal
Few of the people I know have British heritage.

Grany Tue 22-Oct-24 12:40:49

Good for her.

The unelected head of state did not respond. He simply waited for the elected senator to be forcibly removed from her own Parliament.

But how else is Thorpe to express her views to Charles? She cannot stand against him in an election – he is elected by nobody. She cannot debate him on television – he rarely gives serious interviews and is never properly challenged.

knspol Tue 22-Oct-24 12:51:33

I think good for her for standing up for the indigenous population, she has every right to speak up for what she believes is important and she is definitely not silly.
It would only be the manner in which she did this that I would question, there are many ways to make your thoughts known but she obviously considered this was the best way to make her feelings known and get the most publicity for her cause. How wonderful it would have been if Charlie had actually engaged with her and had a private discussion.

FriedGreenTomatoes2 Tue 22-Oct-24 12:57:53

And encourage any and every ‘rebel with a cause’ just to rock up going forward? Jeez.

I’m sure there are proper channels for ‘discussion’ and this Senator would have known how to access them. She chose not to.

David49 Tue 22-Oct-24 13:00:23

Grany

Good for her.

The unelected head of state did not respond. He simply waited for the elected senator to be forcibly removed from her own Parliament.

But how else is Thorpe to express her views to Charles? She cannot stand against him in an election – he is elected by nobody. She cannot debate him on television – he rarely gives serious interviews and is never properly challenged.

As a senator she should be working to improve the chaos in Alice Springs and other communities, Charles has no input to the policy of the government.

She’s just an exhibitionist.

Jaberwok Tue 22-Oct-24 13:06:44

How can he? He's in no position to promise anything,so what's there to discuss, he can't alter anything and he certainly cannot appear to interfere in the political business of another fully independent country even if he wanted to, which I very much doubt. Why go on about de colonisation? Australia hasn't been a colony for 123 years, or does she think all the white Australians should be deported, to??!! I think perhaps she needs to educate herself about Australian history, then she would surely realise that Australia is self governing independent country, the running of which is nothing to do with the UK or the crown and hasn't been for over a century.

Etoile2701 Tue 22-Oct-24 13:10:28

She has a point but it is not Charles' fault. I think she was rude to shout like that. There are other ways to protest. It was embarrassing

Grany Tue 22-Oct-24 13:28:07

David49

Charles wrote a letter to Kerr congratulating him. Sticking his nose into foreign affairs.

I think monarchy is a waste of space and money and shoud be abolished.

Thorpe is a hard working senator for the indigenous people, Charles dosent work.


The 1975 Australian constitutional crisis, also known simply as the Dismissal, culminated on 11 November 1975 with the dismissal from office of the prime minister, Gough Whitlam of the Australian Labor Party (ALP), by Sir John Kerr, the Governor-General who then commissioned the leader of the Opposition, Malcolm Fraser of the Liberal Party, as prime minister to hold a new election. It has been described as the greatest political and constitutional crisis in Australian history.

Paperbackwriter Tue 22-Oct-24 13:35:00

How incredibly rude to write off a perfectly valid protester as 'tiresome and silly'. This is an important issue. Maybe learn more about it before being so sniffily dismissive.

Caleo Tue 22-Oct-24 13:42:13

She should not have worn that fur thing when she protested , because people who support animal rights are often the same people who support aboriginal rights.

As Mandela said, it's not helpful to right wrongs by citing evils from the past, and wrongs mus righted from the point of view of the present wrongs. I understand that aboriginal people are downtrodden to this day.

Allira Tue 22-Oct-24 13:44:09

Wearing fur is traditional, as is killing species which are protected and which other Australians are not allowed to kill.

Caleo Tue 22-Oct-24 13:48:30

Grany, the thing is, is King Charles merely another of the landed and too -rich elite who are all in the same club,: or is King Charles the kind man who loves and supports the natural world, animals, and oppressed peoples.

Jaberwok Tue 22-Oct-24 13:51:24

How incredibly rude to shout and swear at an invited guest but worse than that, in the case of the King, completely pointless and foolish making. The monarchy will be abolished as and when the general public vote against it. At the moment that seems extremely unlikely, but who knows what the future holds. 1975!! Nearly 50 years ago! Surely there must be something a little more up to date to beat the monarchs head with??

Smileless2012 Tue 22-Oct-24 13:53:48

The last referendum in Australia as to whether to retain our monarch as Head of State was in 1999. Maybe it's time for another one but regardless, there were plenty of people who were pleased to see Charles and Camilla.

Glenco Tue 22-Oct-24 13:59:24

LauraNorderr

When you haven’t been heard for over 200 years perhaps there is a need to shout a bit louder.

Aborigines have been heard and many concessions made. They have access to subsidised housing, healthcare and education and already have a voice in Parliament - eg Lidia Thorpe. Every event now acknowledges that it is taking place on their land and we pay our respects to their Elders, past and present. A great deal of money and support has been given to them in all sorts of ways so one has to wonder exactly what they do want. Many Aborigines actually appreciate the opportunities that they now have and their poor health is often attributed to their chosen lifestyle of too much alcohol and poor diet.

CariadAgain Tue 22-Oct-24 13:59:49

I must admit I'm just puzzled at the whole idea as to why Britain still has a "commonwealth" - ie Australia and otherwise.

Added that, right now, my take is to cut off all commonwealth countries completely (goodness knows it can't be that relevant if I couldnt even tell you which ones they are!) and do it quickly - ie before any more of their leaders start harping on about "reparations" which we couldnt afford and I dont believe are remotely responsible for anyway. That's not even adding in the fact that the leaders of many of these countries would find excuses to grab the money for themselves personally to blow on luxuries for themselves anyway.

Caleo Tue 22-Oct-24 14:02:43

Allira, are you saying Australian aboriginal people get concessions like hunting animals to death?

Instead of such sops to keep them quiet, indigenous peoples should be enriched as to education, health care, housing, and other civilised freedoms so as to raise them to the same level of affluence as everyone else.

Caleo Tue 22-Oct-24 14:07:09

Glenco, alcoholism and poor diet are signs of poverty. So it's obvious that such people are disadvantaged as to education, health care, and jobs ,and are simply a disadvantaged social class.

Syracute Tue 22-Oct-24 14:12:36

Protests are not in their nature dignified if they are to accomplish a result. She clearly did that and garnered world wide attention in doing so . Mission accomplished !

Freya5 Tue 22-Oct-24 15:07:15

Grany

Good for her.

The unelected head of state did not respond. He simply waited for the elected senator to be forcibly removed from her own Parliament.

But how else is Thorpe to express her views to Charles? She cannot stand against him in an election – he is elected by nobody. She cannot debate him on television – he rarely gives serious interviews and is never properly challenged.

He is a figurehead,nothing more. Why is she not challenging her PM Albanese she has option to do so in her role as Senator . Still she'd rather screech at someone who has no say in any matters of Government or with Australian policy.
She faces a backlash, prominent Aboriginal Australians saying "she was embarrassing and disrespectful". Encouraging, on her Instagram page
apparently beheaded besides his crown violence against our King. The women is deranged. If she'd have done that in the UK Starmer would have had her thrown prison on hate crime charges.

Allira Tue 22-Oct-24 15:21:28

Syracute

Protests are not in their nature dignified if they are to accomplish a result. She clearly did that and garnered world wide attention in doing so . Mission accomplished !

Mission accomplished !

Yes, certainly; she embarrassed herself, embarrassed many elders of her people and put back her cause by her undignified behaviour. As a politician she knows the procedure to follow to bring a Bill before Parliament.