Will Messrs Reeves and Raynor Still Be Around This Time Next Year?

Quote eazybee Mon 28-Oct-24 11:05:07
In response to Calendargirl's comment you may call this bitchy if you like, but it is an honest observation.

Watching the humourless Bridget Phillipson yesterday avoiding defining 'working people', I noticed particularly the area of her face encompassing nose, upper lip, teeth and chin. Attempting later to describe her expression I used the term vulpine, i,e relating to foxes, crafty, cunning.
I first saw it many years ago in Tony Blair.

She looks like a fox ?

JamesandJon33

I’m still waiting for Gordon Brown’s, a computer for every household……when was that?

I suspect most households do now have a computer - even if it's a miniature one on a tablet or mobile phone. I don't remember a promise to supply them for free.

madalene

Mollygo

You are absolutely correct. Comments about BJ’s clothing and hair were expressed freely on GN and they were actually quite unpleasant at times. Also comments about other MPs, including a lot about Rishi Sunak’s expensive clothes but at least he paid for them himself. But comments about members of our new government ministers clothing or appearance are totally off limits. Apparently.

Not by me! I prefer to discuss policies.

I’m still waiting for Gordon Brown’s, a computer for every household……when was that?

eazybee

In response to Calendargirl's comment you may call this bitchy if you like, but it is an honest observation.

Watching the humourless Bridget Phillipson yesterday avoiding defining 'working people', I noticed particularly the area of her face encompassing nose, upper lip, teeth and chin. Attempting later to describe her expression I used the term vulpine, i,e relating to foxes, crafty, cunning.
I first saw it many years ago in Tony Blair.

Thank you for giving me permission to call it what I like.

I'm not sure why you had to frame the permission in the way you did. Frankly, I consider a government minister's role serious and am not sure why humour is a necessary prerequisite.

As for the description of her nose, upper lip, teeth and chin - words fail me! Maybe you'd like to post a video of your lower face and we could all have our say! (You might even manage to utter something meaningful.)

jasper16

Mollygo

ronib

Anniebach The trend to ridicule politicians is not new. Maybe the hapless voter can derive some kind of enjoyment from it as all other forms of engagement are denied? Otherwise we’re becoming a very distanced society?

Absolutely! Remember the ridiculing of BJ or LT, all excused or claimed as justified by those who were doing the ridiculing at the time and since.
Bitchy comments about hair were frequently applied to both those two, including on GN, but now it’s about LP members, it’s somehow wrong and they need defence or protection?

The man himself and his team purposely created the image. The crumpled suit and ruffled hair were part of the appeal.

Some people loved it. He wasn't Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson the old Etonian. He was Boris, BoJo, our friend.

Exactly! He created the image to detract from what he said and did.

The people currently being smeared aren't doing the same. Both Rayner and Phillipson have regional accents. Most of the Labour women dress the part, even if people don't like their choices at times. None of the deserve the kind of bitchiness we're currently witnessing.

That's not to say they're beyond criticism - but for their policies, not how they look or sound.

Bring back Spitting Image!

Mollygo

ronib

Anniebach The trend to ridicule politicians is not new. Maybe the hapless voter can derive some kind of enjoyment from it as all other forms of engagement are denied? Otherwise we’re becoming a very distanced society?

Absolutely! Remember the ridiculing of BJ or LT, all excused or claimed as justified by those who were doing the ridiculing at the time and since.
Bitchy comments about hair were frequently applied to both those two, including on GN, but now it’s about LP members, it’s somehow wrong and they need defence or protection?

The man himself and his team purposely created the image. The crumpled suit and ruffled hair were part of the appeal.

Some people loved it. He wasn't Alexander Boris de Pfeffel Johnson the old Etonian. He was Boris, BoJo, our friend.

In response to Calendargirl's comment you may call this bitchy if you like, but it is an honest observation.

Watching the humourless Bridget Phillipson yesterday avoiding defining 'working people', I noticed particularly the area of her face encompassing nose, upper lip, teeth and chin. Attempting later to describe her expression I used the term vulpine, i,e relating to foxes, crafty, cunning.
I first saw it many years ago in Tony Blair.

Mollygo

You are absolutely correct. Comments about BJ’s clothing and hair were expressed freely on GN and they were actually quite unpleasant at times. Also comments about other MPs, including a lot about Rishi Sunak’s expensive clothes but at least he paid for them himself. But comments about members of our new government ministers clothing or appearance are totally off limits. Apparently.

Quote growstuff Mon 28-Oct-24 10:24:57
Anniebach
The chancellor of the exchequer is being judged and criticised by her hair and movement of her mouth , girl talk seems popular, let’s giggle
I think the Education Secretary's Sunderland accent might be a tad too common for some.

Her accent ? Seems accents are a problem for some,
Angela Rayner, and I so remember daring to canvass in England for Neil Kinnock and for Gordon Brown

Remember the ridiculing of BJ or LT, all excused or claimed as justified by those who were doing the ridiculing at the time and since.
Bitchy comments about hair were frequently applied to both those two, including on GN, but now it’s about LP members, it’s somehow wrong and they need defence or protection?

growstuff

In any case, this is a different kind of bitchiness - it's just plain bitchiness based on appearance

So how were comments about BJ’s or LT’s appearance, and actually, some of those on Sunak’s appearance a different kind of bitchiness?

Anniebach

The chancellor of the exchequer is being judged and criticised by her hair and movement of her mouth , girl talk seems popular, let’s giggle

I think the Education Secretary's Sunderland accent might be a tad too common for some.

Mollygo

ronib

Anniebach The trend to ridicule politicians is not new. Maybe the hapless voter can derive some kind of enjoyment from it as all other forms of engagement are denied? Otherwise we’re becoming a very distanced society?

Absolutely! Remember the ridiculing of BJ or LT, all excused or claimed as justified by those who were doing the ridiculing at the time and since.
Bitchy comments about hair were frequently applied to both those two, including on GN, but now it’s about LP members, it’s somehow wrong and they need defence or protection?

Not by me!

In any case, this is a different kind of bitchiness - it's just plain bitchiness based on appearance, no different from the school playground. I'm beginning to wonder why women were given the vote, if this is the best they can come up with.

Calendargirl

Anniebach

The chancellor of the exchequer is being judged and criticised by her hair and movement of her mouth , girl talk seems popular, let’s giggle

Not the chancellor, I was talking about the education secretary.

Someone asked what I found annoying about her, I answered them.

And I asked you a follow-up question because your answer seemed so shallow.

Neither defence or protection , so if there were unkind posts about Conservatives you choose to sink lower ?
Mocking the shape of someone mouth when they talk is -rack bottom and still drilling

ronib

Anniebach The trend to ridicule politicians is not new. Maybe the hapless voter can derive some kind of enjoyment from it as all other forms of engagement are denied? Otherwise we’re becoming a very distanced society?

Absolutely! Remember the ridiculing of BJ or LT, all excused or claimed as justified by those who were doing the ridiculing at the time and since.
Bitchy comments about hair were frequently applied to both those two, including on GN, but now it’s about LP members, it’s somehow wrong and they need defence or protection?

Anniebach

The chancellor of the exchequer is being judged and criticised by her hair and movement of her mouth , girl talk seems popular, let’s giggle

Not the chancellor, I was talking about the education secretary.

Someone asked what I found annoying about her, I answered them.

ronib

Anniebach The trend to ridicule politicians is not new. Maybe the hapless voter can derive some kind of enjoyment from it as all other forms of engagement are denied? Otherwise we’re becoming a very distanced society?

"Hapless" isn't the word I'd use for people who enjoy being bitchy.

I suppose it depends on what's classed as enjoyable.

Not exactly a laugh a minute on here lately.

Anniebach The trend to ridicule politicians is not new. Maybe the hapless voter can derive some kind of enjoyment from it as all other forms of engagement are denied? Otherwise we’re becoming a very distanced society?

The chancellor of the exchequer is being judged and criticised by her hair and movement of her mouth , girl talk seems popular, let’s giggle

Calendargirl

growstuff

Calendargirl

Why do you find her annoying?

It’s the way she talks somehow, her mouth moves about in an irritating fashion.

But do you find what comes out of her mouth annoying?

I am too busy looking at her mouth to take in what she is saying, unfortunately.

Try listening to the radio or closing your eyes.

I'm struggling to understand how bitchy and shallow some comments can be.

jasper16

escaped

As this debate has descended into predictable shallowness
It hasn't descended at all. It's path was predicable from the title and OP.

Yes, you can't really descend from that starter can you? Although I did try to be fair.

Well some of us tried an upsweep of the matters being discussed, by analysing the choice of words.
Trouble is, it still ended up as a messy hairdo!

There are a few economists who disagree with Reeves stance. An example of one such economist would be Richard Murphy who was employed by Jeremy Corbyn as an advisor when he was Labour leader. There are others, but economist are largely behind Reeves in her growth strategy.

Please correct this. Murphy was not employed by Corbyn. He was approached, but the shadow chancellor, John McDonnell, 'didn't believe in MMT' and association with Murphy lapsed.

'Not believing in MMT' is, frankly, as absurd as mot believing that the earth orbits the sun when MMT is, at base' an empirically proven description of how a nation with a fiat currency runs its finances, unlike much of the current orthodoxy which is based on unevidenced theory but, heigh ho...

Heterodox economists don't disapprove particularly of the need for greater growth, they just think that selling out to private capital, rather than direct state investment, is a recipe for disaster, as has been proven over the past 40plus years. There are 'orthodox' economists who agree with that, mostly of the Keynesian tradition.

As you were, now, ladies.. of course hair style is a sure indication of ability.. economic nous is a minor consideration.

(I keep thinking of Shirley Williams.. can't think why...)