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Will Messrs Reeves and Raynor Still Be Around This Time Next Year?

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mae13 Sun 27-Oct-24 08:58:02

Sir Keir's ratings have nosedived so badly since the election that I wonder which moves he might be planning for his first Cabinet re-shuffle.
He strikes me as having an underlying ruthless streak and won't hesitate to jettison certain unpopular "comrades" in order to shore up his own position.
Whenever I see a media photo of Keir, Angela and Rachel grinning idiotically at each other I just have to think "I bet two of you will have got your P45's by next year......"

escaped Mon 28-Oct-24 13:18:41

Smug?
Michael Gove looked priggish. And a bit like Peppa's dad too.

kittylester Mon 28-Oct-24 13:21:50

Don't you even care about policies and whether politicians achieve them?

Of course but I am also allowed an opinion on the people aiming to deliver them.

Casdon Mon 28-Oct-24 13:33:42

knspol

I thought KS was just out to punish pensioners and savers but seems employers are going to be the next target with the NI conts supposition for the budget and the changes to employment laws proposed by Rayner. Wonder how happy labour supporters are now?

Do you not think Labour supporters realised that the country was in a huge mess and that we would all be paying for it? Before the election lots of us on here said that we were willing to pay more taxes and be worse off to enable public services to be rebuilt and less people to be in poverty - and that is what is going to happen. I doubt you will find many Labour supporters who don’t agree that employees should be treated more fairly either?

ronib Mon 28-Oct-24 13:34:48

Starmer has announced new cap of £3 on bus fares.
What is he thinking? This will hit the poorest in the country.

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:37:44

I'd rather pay £3 than £6.

jasper16 Mon 28-Oct-24 13:38:11

growstuff

kittylester

Surely, it isn't difficult to understand the correlation between how Bridget Phillipson appears to me and whether I trust her to do a good job.

Who is to dictate how I perceive people?

She looks smug to me and I don't like, or trust, smug people.

It has nothing to do with whether she went to the local state school or an expensive independent.

Don't you even care about policies and whether politicians achieve them?

Hmm ... now let me think which MPs (in my opinion) are more smug.

I think in more enlightened cultures it is possible for a parent to give a child a nourishing breakfast each day.

vegansrock Mon 28-Oct-24 13:40:26

The country is in a mess with NHS and public services starved of funds but no one wants to pay any more tax to help repair them.

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:41:49

Oh here we go.
Breakfast clubs are already in use.

They are for anyone - anyone who works in the morning and needs to be there before school starts.
People with meetings, or appointments, regular or occasional.

They are already used, and sweet sod all to do with people being able or unable to give their children breakfast!!

Not everyone has parents to look after their children.

ronib Mon 28-Oct-24 13:42:30

MissAdventure you are paying £6 as presumably you need a return ticket? An extra £10 a week for the working person. £40 a month minimum extra.

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:45:55

Nope.
I live on an island.
To get off it can take two different buses, then a ten mile nis ride to the hospital costs, too. £6, is a conservative estimate.

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:48:01

Of course, someone making the journey regularly can buy a weekly, monthly, or yearly ticket.

I used to buy the yearly one.
A huge outlay, but a big saving

ronib Mon 28-Oct-24 13:53:02

MissA wouldn’t Uber be cheaper?

Casdon Mon 28-Oct-24 13:53:08

ronib

Starmer has announced new cap of £3 on bus fares.
What is he thinking? This will hit the poorest in the country.

There was concern that the cap would be removed, so this is better news than it could have been. Devolved administrations and councils obviously have the option to impose a lower cap if they choose to do so, the £3 is the maximum charge, not the minimum charge.

Oreo Mon 28-Oct-24 13:53:25

MissAdventure

I'd rather pay £3 than £6.

But it was only £2 up to now.

Oreo Mon 28-Oct-24 13:54:36

MissAdventure

Nope.
I live on an island.
To get off it can take two different buses, then a ten mile nis ride to the hospital costs, too. £6, is a conservative estimate.

Cuba?

jasper16 Mon 28-Oct-24 13:55:03

Not everyone has parents to look after their children

No they don't and they are cobbling together some sort of system whilst holding down a job. Nobody cares if your child is ill, won't eat, is exhausted, can't cope with a 10 hour day. It's all wrong.

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:55:22

Yes, I remember the last time 9 caught a bus, all fares were £2.

Didn't realise that was still the case.

Mollygo Mon 28-Oct-24 13:55:32

Free breakfast clubs are ridiculous - in your opinion! But at least we're discussing policies now. I agree absolutely that breakfast schools should be available to all pupils. I'm undecided whether they should be free to all.

I’m not anti breakfast clubs. There may be less pressure on teachers to run morning clubs like typing, art, gymnastics etc if the parents are getting free childcare.

But free breakfast clubs for children whose parents who can afford it or even well afford it, but no WFA for pensioners who can afford it?

escaped
Current before school and after school provision varies from school, but at all our local schools, it is staffed by non-school staff, welfare staff (dinner ladies) or an occasional TA.
They are paid from the fees paid by parents.

As far as I’ve heard, the breakfast club aren’t covering provision for as long as any existing before school clubs merely for whatever time they feel is reasonable for children to eat breakfast.
Presumably the government is going to pay for that too, as well as the food, storage and cooking facilities, opting out of paying for the latter two items if schools already run clubs.
Re supervision at dinner time, welfare staff are employed and paid to do that, supervising children collecting food, eating it and clearing away their own plates. They also supervise the children for the rest of lunch time, indoors on wet days or outside.

I will be interested to see which schools, in which areas are selected and how the conclusions on what is required to find them are arrived at.

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:56:08

Sorry mu fingers are playing up
angry

polnan Mon 28-Oct-24 13:56:59

why don`t they "target" the politicians? the wastage, the corruption, ie. booze etc. etc.

why don`t they sort out the NHS by starting at the top in a similar manner? why don`t they! oh I give up!

MissAdventure Mon 28-Oct-24 13:58:01

I don't know why anyone would be upset to think of little children having a safe place to be, and some breakfast.

It seems everyone's worried that somebody might be getting something for nothing.

madalene Mon 28-Oct-24 13:58:05

sometimes the standard of posts on here…….

There are a variety of people who post on this social media site. Some may have a PHD and others may have left school at fifteen without any qualifications at all, but I agree with the novel idea that all are entitled to an opinion, so long as it is not rude. I’m not of the opinion that some posters need to be quiet and take notice of those who know better.

Oreo Mon 28-Oct-24 14:02:14

Oreo

MissAdventure

Nope.
I live on an island.
To get off it can take two different buses, then a ten mile nis ride to the hospital costs, too. £6, is a conservative estimate.

Cuba?

Sorry, don’t know where the hell Cuba came from as I typed Canvey 😂

madalene Mon 28-Oct-24 14:03:14

ronib

escaped I think meal supervision at lunchtime is on a voluntary basis and is paid a token amount. I don’t see how teachers are able to supervise breakfast clubs as staff meetings are held from 8.30 am. Someone has to make the food too.

School supervision at lunchtime by teachers is indeed voluntary and teachers are paid by way of of receiving a free school meal. Lunchtime assistants (dinner ladies) are employed too.

Breakfast club at the school I worked at was free for every child, and supervised by two Teaching Assistants who agreed to do it. They received actual money for their work rather than a free breakfast.

Oreo Mon 28-Oct-24 14:03:43

MissAdventure

Yes, I remember the last time 9 caught a bus, all fares were £2.

Didn't realise that was still the case.

Almost as good as your 9 caught a bus 😄