Conservative Party Leader announcement...

Oh dear.

Should have been Cleverly.

You bet me to it Maybee!

FriedGreenTomatoes2

At least we agree about Dawn Butler Iam. 😁
She’s dreadful.

So sick of the black v white - just get on with the job. Butler is a nasty piece of work with a chip on both shoulders.

The Tories promote on merit, which is why they have had four female leaders and people from different races in senior government roles over the years.

Labour promotes on what they call diversity, which is why they have a black foreign secretary (Lammy) and a female chancellor (Reeves), both of whom are clearly not up to their jobs.

So why did they promote Liz Truss ( oh and Kwarteng)?

At least we agree about Dawn Butler Iam. 😁
She’s dreadful.

So sick of the black v white - just get on with the job. Butler is a nasty piece of work with a chip on both shoulders.

The Tories promote on merit, which is why they have had four female leaders and people from different races in senior government roles over the years.

Labour promotes on what they call diversity, which is why they have a black foreign secretary (Lammy) and a female chancellor (Reeves), both of whom are clearly not up to their jobs.

Dawn Butler doesn’t deserve a place at the ‘top table’ . She’s consistently dreadful

I enjoyed F G Ts saying Reform will be hitting the champagne tonight 😂. Badenoch is an interesting choice but let’s face it - the pool left to choose from is weak. Never expected I’d miss those good one nation tories

These are people who have lost elections, and been leaders in difficult times for the Tories FriedGreenTomatoes2, not inexperienced self interested commentators. Their advice is probably the best that there is for a new leader.

Casdon

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I would say Reform are hitting the champagne tonight. Best result they could have wished for.

That seems doubtful. I expect she will be taking advice from the Tory grandees and ignoring Reform. View in I.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/ignore-farage-reform-tips-badenoch-tory-veterans-3357986?srsltid=AfmBOopv8Q7hjXfWPX5YYsyOKTJFGnLMeNOElhNUh5zL-5_M045P2nBJ

That's a good article, quotes near the end from Hague and Grieve.

Labour won by moving into the centre, no, the Conservatives don't need to be NuReform.

The Tory grandees want to unite their party. They can’t get their heads around the fact that the electorate rejected them big style. Labour won on the ‘anyone’s but a Tory vote’.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

I would say Reform are hitting the champagne tonight. Best result they could have wished for.

That seems doubtful. I expect she will be taking advice from the Tory grandees and ignoring Reform. View in I.
inews.co.uk/news/politics/ignore-farage-reform-tips-badenoch-tory-veterans-3357986?srsltid=AfmBOopv8Q7hjXfWPX5YYsyOKTJFGnLMeNOElhNUh5zL-5_M045P2nBJ

Badenoch cannot unite the Tories. They cannot even agree a position on the EHCR. Irrelevant now anyway.

FriedGreenTomatoes2

madalene

Dawn Butler doesn’t sound like a nice person.

I think she’s jealous of Badenoch, hence the mean tweet.

I doubt it. I think she probably despises her.

What about all the SMEs across the U.K., they really are the backbone of society.

I utterly agree with you, GG13, but they really don't count in the grand scheme of things. And you can bet your life they aren't the sort of 'business' that Badenoch thinks it is the job of government to serve...

FriedGreenTomatoes2

madalene

Dawn Butler doesn’t sound like a nice person.

I think she’s jealous of Badenoch, hence the mean tweet.

Possibly. Sour grapes?

She has not been offered a job on the top table by Starmer.

madalene

Dawn Butler doesn’t sound like a nice person.

I think she’s jealous of Badenoch, hence the mean tweet.

I would say Reform are hitting the champagne tonight. Best result they could have wished for.

MaizieD

And just look at the millionaires and billionaires who have amassed their fortunes through'business' who are now squealing because the government wants to tax away a little bit of their gains. They're not showing a great deal of interest in the rest of the population 'thriving'.

What about all the SMEs across the U.K., they really are the backbone of society.

They are not millionaires or billionaires, they are hard working people who employ local people, give back to their communities.

The world needs business leaders of all sizes, especially those in the middle who haven’t got the fancy accountants to lesson their tax bills…

Dawn Butler did not say it, she shared a post that said it.
I know that's a tiny difference, but I am banging on elsewhere about being honest about Trumps words so I am trying to be fair.
Dawn Butler is consistently awful.

MaizieD I seem to have missed out on the squealers - do you have any names and sources of information? Apart from the farmers.

Dawn Butler doesn’t sound like a nice person.

And just look at the millionaires and billionaires who have amassed their fortunes through'business' who are now squealing because the government wants to tax away a little bit of their gains. They're not showing a great deal of interest in the rest of the population 'thriving'.

eazybee

Did Dawn Butler post that?

Well it’s not the first thing like that she’s posted. Removing something from X when you know it’s been viewed means nothing, except you’ve achieved what you wanted to say.
Earlier, The Times reported
Dawn Butler under fire for saying Kemi Badenoch shouldn't exist
26 Jun 2024 — A left-wing Labour candidate has been accused of bringing the party “into disrepute” by saying she agreed that Kemi Badenoch should not exist.

X posts karmalady we think as one!

karmalady

MaizieD

She recently said that the purpose of government is to serve business.

It chilled me to the bone. Others may feel differently...

businesses are the drivers of growth and the economy, if businesses thrive then people thrive and so will the nhs and social care etc. Absolutely businesses form the hub of the wheel and are so very needed for the uk to flourish.

She got right to the heart of the uk financial problem

I think we only have to look to the US to see just how wrong those beliefs are.

It even seems to be on the brink of a civil war, primarily because their business oriented economy has failed a great many Americans and they don't believe in the 'establishment' economics any more. Huge numbers of American citizens are very far from 'thriving'. Trump has tapped into them and is going to lead them to the promised land🙄

MaizieD

She recently said that the purpose of government is to serve business.

It chilled me to the bone. Others may feel differently...

But don’t business do the heavy lifting and make the profits that service the economy. Laudable as the NHS, teaching is (our two daughters work there) they don’t ‘produce’ anything. They are service providers. We need SMEs and big business to provide profits for tax - so that we as a nation can enjoy the receipts.

Karmalady, you are absolutely right, business is essential for growth and prosperity.