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ronib

Dickens my son pointed out that Musk will happily use lithium mined in Nigeria by very young children without any concern for consequences. My son said that is how we let rich men become even richer.
What really troubles me is that the world has gone entirely mad. So in the face of madness, what can the UK do? Refusing to engage with Musk is not the brightest idea?

Where does your son get his information? Musk (Tesla) have invested heavily in their own mines in Texas and South America.

OldFrill my son uses information from the internet. There are numerous references to mining lithium in Africa - LSE is credible.

TRIP History has been doing a series on the US in the 60s. The one on George Wallace is fascinating and really helps to explain the appeal of Trump. Highly recommend it to anyone who wants to understand politics in the US.

He of course intends to start fracking, foraging and re-open coal and other mines. With globla warming doing so much damage currently, what will happen then?

ronib

OldFrill my son uses information from the internet. There are numerous references to mining lithium in Africa - LSE is credible.

Maybe your son should be on here, it's very difficult to discuss through a third party. I also get information from media sources, who doesn't? I also tend to check out my sons' opinions, as they would mine and form my own opinion. Saves all this 'my son says'. There was someone quoting a 'son's friend' - what kind of credentials are these.
Where is your son's source? Just the one? What actually is credible in today's media?

Nigeria turned down Musk's attempt to mine for Lithium in 2022/23. China mines in Nigeria.

Elon Musk does not own any Lithium mines according to multiple sources in Google.

Tesla (one of his companies) has an exclusive contract with a Chinese mining Company for all its Lithium.

There has been extensive damage to the ecosystem in multiple areas due to this form of mining.

Wyllow3

Well said Dickens.

I have wondered what Maremia said above how long the relationship between Musk and Trump can last. I can't think of anyone with such great power lasting alongside Trump for long?

I have wondered what Maremia said above how long the relationship between Musk and Trump can last. I can't think of anyone with such great power lasting alongside Trump for long?

For anyone interested in behavioural sciences or psychology etc, it might make an interesting study at some point. It might be possible to fill a large conference hall with interested parties!

Egos can create huge blind spots for leaders, making them unaware of their impact on the business and on those around them

... so said Moshe Cohen, a senior lecturer at Boston University’s Questrom School of Business.

Who knows if, at some point, they will bump egos with each other? At the moment they are both in buddy-patting-on-the-back mode.

Trump and Musk, what an interesting combination. Puts poor JD in the shadows, I wonder how long he'll be happy with that? I notice Musk was in the Mar-E-L photo with Trump and his family.

foxie48

Trump and Musk, what an interesting combination. Puts poor JD in the shadows, I wonder how long he'll be happy with that? I notice Musk was in the Mar-E-L photo with Trump and his family.

JD is, politically-speaking, relatively inexperienced.

Vance has less experience in elected office than other vice presidential nominees who were pilloried over their qualifications — most notably Geraldine Ferraro in 1984, Dan Quayle in 1988 and Sarah Palin, twenty years later. Not that long ago, it would have been a handicap that would have been a consistent and all-consuming topic of debate.

Experience, however, is no longer viewed as a badge of seriousness in either party, but especially among Republicans. Trump’s own 2016 victory came against an unusually deep and accomplished field of GOP governors and senators.

He mercilessly turned their years of service in government against them all, painting them as denizens of the Washington swamp that he promised to drain.

He (JD) projects cool anger, and knows the enemy as well as anyone in the party because he’s lived and circulated among them, as a venture capitalist, a celebrated author and a Yale Law School graduate. He doesn’t deliver his home state so much as send a message to the restive regions that the GOP aspires to keep in its fold — the Rust Belt and Appalachia.

Neat, eh?

(quotes from 'POLITICO')

Fleurpepper

Calling those comments 'meme' is just appalling.
All the signs are there, just as they were then.

Rubbish. Childish name calling

No - he would be much too old. Pretty much on the border now,really. Hope he can cope with the stress .

Babs03

As was said on the politics show it wasn't just Starmer and Lammy making insulting comments about Trump, most European leaders have said something at some point about him, none of it complimentary, am wondering if one big apology by email with all the leaders and related ministers signatures, including his own VC would be acceptable.
And in the spirit of apology perhaps Trump could apologise to all the world leaders or associated ministers/colleagues he has insulted over the years, including Sadiq Khan.
I imagine his email will be lengthier.

Think it was Khan, who started the insults, by signing off that childish hot air balloon on Trumps state visit. Although of course he denies but supports it. With that he insulted all the American people who voted for their President.
Khan deserves all he gets back. I remember the one mocking him. He acts as London is his own person fiefdom. He did say he would leave the UK if Trump won. Like all lefties it's hot air.

foxie48

Trump and Musk, what an interesting combination. Puts poor JD in the shadows, I wonder how long he'll be happy with that? I notice Musk was in the Mar-E-L photo with Trump and his family.

That was very odd indeed.

Musk has his own family although I'm not sure if there is a current Mrs Musk.

Trump is just a Musk puppet now. He wouldn't have won without Musk's money lets face it and now the two will be inseparable. The power behind the white house for sure.

keepingquiet

Trump is just a Musk puppet now. He wouldn't have won without Musk's money lets face it and now the two will be inseparable. The power behind the white house for sure.

To be fair, both parties had their donors - though I doubt Bill Gates and Michael Bloomberg could match Musk's contributions.

But, money talks, as we all know anyway. And nowhere does it talk louder than in the USA. I think.

Also, I believe it was as much how he (Musk) used X as the 'MAGA mouthpiece'. Not only did her reverse the ban when X was Twitter, on Trump's account - he also re-instated the previously suspended accounts of thousands and thousands of white-nationalists and Neo-Nazi account-holders who had been held-back for spreading conspiracy theories and hate-speech.

MAGA really resonated.

He also restored all the feminists accounts which the previous owner had blocked, it is a funny old world.

Yep Dickens it's all about the money. It is all Trump cares about. Democracy run by the rich for the rich and all the poor buggers voted 'em in...

Galaxy

He also restored all the feminists accounts which the previous owner had blocked, it is a funny old world.

... journalists, too.

Even those who'd logged his private aircraft's flight paths...

Because as he said, he's a free-speech absolutist so would've found it a tad awkward not to.

All well and good. Left and Right equally happy (or unhappy).

But then, there's those algorithms tweaks. The sudden boost / burst in engagement with his posts endorsing Trump after the assassination attempt, the number of view-counts, re-tweets, etc, have left the distinct impression that an algorithm 'adjustment' may well be part of a move to shape public opinion by, basically, decided which voices are heard the most.

So yes, it is a funny old world. Some speech is more free than other speech.

Or it could just be me. I don't believe there are many, if any, very wealthy powerful men - on the Right or the Left - who are completely unbiased.

Fleurpepper

He of course intends to start fracking, foraging and re-open coal and other mines. With globla warming doing so much damage currently, what will happen then?

Seriously, it will be ok.

fancythat

Fleurpepper

He of course intends to start fracking, foraging and re-open coal and other mines. With globla warming doing so much damage currently, what will happen then?

Seriously, it will be ok.

We’re on the cusp of no going back climate wise and we have the USA controlled by a climate change denier. Why is that going to be ok?

We have supposed to have been on the cusp for 20 years or more.
If all the things that were predicted to happen years or decades ago, had happened, that would be a very different matter.
But they did not happen [on the whole].

There have always been natural[I would say God] events.
And natural ebbs and flows. of weather, and weather patterns and weather events.
Always.

I would not say that fracking for instance, per se, wont cause loaclised problems of one sort or another.
Should there be earthquakes underground? It doesnt sound right.
And I wouldnt trust whoever at those sites not to pollute the water etc.
But I think you were talking about climate change in particular?

MissInterpreted

I will never understand how even one person can vote for that vile piece of **, never mind millions. America, you disgust me!

So you are saying almost a huge nation voted for a man you don’t like so that entitles you to call him a horrible name. Does that make you feel better?

Remember, the people who voted Trump came from all sections of the USA like Latino people, black people, women etc all groups who the Trump haters said should hate him.
They must have seen something in him that you don’t.

Maybe they did - I still can't get my head round it though. And yes, I stand by what I said. His past record stands for itself. I'm certainly not alone in thinking that way.

Missinterpreted Please think again. It is really unsafe and totally irresponsibly to go to bed and not lock your door!