Trump

Trump has got to deliver on his promises now. Let’s see how that pans out!

I've been doing some reading up on Trumps promises to deport millions of migrants rapidly.

He'll run into problems - countries refusing to take people back, people halfway through asylum claims, many migrants doing jobs in agriculture, construction, and caring, at wages no one will tolerate, but the businesses rely on the low pay to remain competitive: border stopping will work to a point, but there will be an increase in people smuggling just like we have with boat people.

In the states, its complicated by the semi' legal status of many (ie they have permission to stay as a result of certain laws, but not citizenship) - these current laws can be changed, but people will then be torn away from jobs and families and so on.

Wyllow3

I've been doing some reading up on Trumps promises to deport millions of migrants rapidly.

He'll run into problems - countries refusing to take people back, people halfway through asylum claims, many migrants doing jobs in agriculture, construction, and caring, at wages no one will tolerate, but the businesses rely on the low pay to remain competitive: border stopping will work to a point, but there will be an increase in people smuggling just like we have with boat people.

In the states, its complicated by the semi' legal status of many (ie they have permission to stay as a result of certain laws, but not citizenship) - these current laws can be changed, but people will then be torn away from jobs and families and so on.

Looking at it crudely for a moment (and forgetting the cost in human terms), is he going to throw out the baby with the bathwater.

Millions who are working in those low-paid jobs we've been told about are going to have to be replaced - presumably by native Americans, and those that voted for him are not going to be pleased if, on taking over these jobs, they are not given a wage they can live on.

So how is this aspect going to affect the economy - apart from the cost of the actual whole deportation programme - businesses and organisations are, surely, going to have to pay more for their legitimate workers. Where will the billions of $$ come from - will it have a ripple effect on jobs and the jobs market?

It's said the these immigrants themselves often run small businesses on which other jobs rely, and I assume some of those other jobs are legitimate.

Still, Trump is the businessman of businessmen, so I guess he's thought this all through as he has declared there's no price tag.

New Yorkers weren't slow to protest..(on deportation and womens health rights)

short video

www.youtube.com/watch?v=pz_lq6P1RT8

The price tag of enforcement will be enormous - he has said he'd use the Army, (which is free?) but to do what? Also the price tag on legal challenges.

I think he’s mainly all talk. They can crack down on some illegal migration but if it had been easy to do then it would have been done already.

He's said he would tackle serious criminals first, which I don't disagree with in theory,

But he will hit the same reality that we have - how do you deport a prisoner to his/her country of origin if they refuse to take them?

Of course many migrant families have children and evengrand-children, born on USA soil and therefore citizens. Trump intends to send the all back, to be kind and not split families!!! So sending children and grandchildren back to a country they don't know, and who are citizens. How will this be possible?

Not all of us are crazy. Many of us are so disappointed. Bereft. I dread the next 4 years.

People are on the move all over the world, always have and always will, it’s a problem as old as the hills

I think the optics of 1,000’s of mainly young men arriving on boats, is worrying to some, whereas families arriving in need of refuge initiate a different feeling, one of empathy.

MissInterpreted

I will never understand how even one person can vote for that vile piece of **, never mind millions. America, you disgust me!

Please -- don't lump all of us into one basket. I am devastated by Trump's win. So saying that I disgust you? Really?! That seems harsh and incredibly unkind given how many of us are grieving.

Skitterbug many of us over here are grieving deeply, I assure you. We've had visitors from the US on long discussions before the elections. Also dont lump people together, but seek to understand.

Its going too hit us hard not just emotionally, but when Trump puts tariffs on all goods, out own plans for the future.

GrannyGravy13

People are on the move all over the world, always have and always will, it’s a problem as old as the hills

I think the optics of 1,000’s of mainly young men arriving on boats, is worrying to some, whereas families arriving in need of refuge initiate a different feeling, one of empathy.

They also have high levels of single young men arriving GG13 who go to work rapidly in construction and agriculture. They then bring over families or marry....

Skitterbug

MissInterpreted

I will never understand how even one person can vote for that vile piece of **, never mind millions. America, you disgust me!

Please -- don't lump all of us into one basket. I am devastated by Trump's win. So saying that I disgust you? Really?! That seems harsh and incredibly unkind given how many of us are grieving.

I'm sorry if you were offended by my comment. I was referring to the result as a whole, rather than individual voters. I have several American friends (none of whom voted for Trump) and like you, they are all devastated by the result, so I do understand how you must be feeling.

Wyllow3

GrannyGravy13

People are on the move all over the world, always have and always will, it’s a problem as old as the hills

I think the optics of 1,000’s of mainly young men arriving on boats, is worrying to some, whereas families arriving in need of refuge initiate a different feeling, one of empathy.

They also have high levels of single young men arriving GG13 who go to work rapidly in construction and agriculture. They then bring over families or marry....

I know Wyllow3 what I do not know is how any Government, President, Prime Minister is going to be able to handle the migrant situation, trying to please everyone and abide by international laws.

Fortunately this conundrum is way above my pay grade!

Well, me too, except for the obvious factors....I'm just getting the same feelings as when a UK party says they will "turn the boats back - dump them straight back....." (when they cant - all factors above) yet it's a vote winner....💁

(Yet it was one thing Harris did differently, which was to allow a % of incomers to take jobs, so they were gainfully employed not languish in hotels, , but those laws can be cancelled)

The people who came to the US legally were escaping sometimes violent and.dangerous home life. The gang members they are running from can't get into the US legally so they have to get in illegally to escape their home life. Also, people from India, China and Iran will cross illegally using the Mexican US border if they get denied the other way. Deportation costs about $2,000/per person.

Most Mexicans move to the US to earn good wages and then move back to Mexico to retire.

Macadia

The people who came to the US legally were escaping sometimes violent and.dangerous home life. The gang members they are running from can't get into the US legally so they have to get in illegally to escape their home life. Also, people from India, China and Iran will cross illegally using the Mexican US border if they get denied the other way. Deportation costs about $2,000/per person.

I have so many relatives who emigrated to the USA from the 19C onwards- they were escaping poverty, and were all economic migrants. Young men first. Single train ticket to the nearest Port and single ticket to NY and sort yourself out. Several of my relatives emigrated to Canada and re-entered USA illegally- did very well- finally got permission to stay. All contributed so much through their lifetime. Of course now 4th and 5th, 6th generation - and know very little about their foreign, immigrant origins

It will be about optics I expect. The media will be flooded with pictures of coachloads or planeloads of young men being shipped out of the USA; it will send the right Trumpian message.
What could be dangerous is the convert message that will let some people do their own thing, so expect attacks on immigrants by vigilante groups of Trump followers.

Covert

Fleurpepper

Macadia

The people who came to the US legally were escaping sometimes violent and.dangerous home life. The gang members they are running from can't get into the US legally so they have to get in illegally to escape their home life. Also, people from India, China and Iran will cross illegally using the Mexican US border if they get denied the other way. Deportation costs about $2,000/per person.

I have so many relatives who emigrated to the USA from the 19C onwards- they were escaping poverty, and were all economic migrants. Young men first. Single train ticket to the nearest Port and single ticket to NY and sort yourself out. Several of my relatives emigrated to Canada and re-entered USA illegally- did very well- finally got permission to stay. All contributed so much through their lifetime. Of course now 4th and 5th, 6th generation - and know very little about their foreign, immigrant origins

Yes, *Fleurpepper", my relatives were part of the engineering brain drain too that affected GB. They entered legally when they were allowed but stayed in Canada until given permission. From my observation, I have noticed that a lot of people from South America enter the US out of desperation.

This is no way to live: www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB7dI0Tk3dw

As far as Trump's promises or given word goes, he lies so much about everything, why would this be different. A man who is above the law, cannot be arrested, ordered an assault on the US capital where people died, uses wealth to buy himself out of criminal convictions, such as sexual assault and rape has just been elected by 92% of the male population in the US to one of the most powerful positions on the planet. How is that for morals and values?

I think ,to be fair, a lot of females voted for him, too. We were economic migrants and part of the brain drain in the 1970s. Escaping from a 3 day week of electricity and rationing of bread in the UK under Ted Heath. I would rather live under the likes of Trump than Starmer any day of the week. Last time he was in office was not the disaster some make it out to be. Some aholes are good leaders and vice versa.